Referenced Resources

Here is a list of all resources mentioned in the interview, categorized by type:

People

• Mr. President - The interviewer addresses the interviewee as “Mr. President.”
• Secretary of State Marco Rubio - Mentioned as having called the recognition of Palestinian statehood a “reckless decision.”
• Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu - Mentioned as someone who would argue for continuing military action until Hamas is eliminated.
• President Trump - Mentioned in the context of his administration’s diplomacy, his suggestion about Russian incursions being a mistake, his commitment to making peace in Ukraine, and his administration’s arguments regarding sanctions and tariffs.
• Jared Kushner - Mentioned as the son-in-law of the President of the United States and a figure involved in discussions with the administration.
• Charles Kushner - Mentioned as the U.S. ambassador to France and father of Jared Kushner, who published an article criticizing France’s handling of anti-Semitism.
• President Putin - Mentioned in the context of negotiations and his lack of sincere engagement in peace talks.
• President Zelensky - Mentioned as having made a commitment with European leaders to provide security guarantees to Ukraine.
• Ursula von der Leyen - Mentioned as having done great work with her team to address European consumption of Russian oil and gas.
• Mr. Witkoff - Mentioned as someone working with the Trump administration on important ideas.
• Gerard Kushner - Mentioned as someone working with the Trump administration on important ideas.
• Tony Blair - Mentioned as someone working with the Trump administration on important ideas.

Organizations

• UN (United Nations) - Mentioned in the context of the number of countries recognizing Palestinian statehood and as a potential framework for an international force in Gaza.
• Western UN Security Council member - France is identified as the first Western UN Security Council member to recognize Palestinian statehood.
• Hamas - A primary focus of the discussion, described as an objective to destroy Israel and kill Israelis, and a group that needs to be dismantled and isolated.
• Qatari - Mentioned as a partner in negotiations for the release of hostages.
• Egypt - Mentioned as a partner in negotiations for the release of hostages and as a neighbor involved in a peace plan.
• U.S. administration - Mentioned in various contexts, including negotiations, coordination on ceasefire and hostage release, and the “day after” plan.
• Israel - A central focus of the discussion, with references to its security needs, its actions against Hamas, and its political stance.
• Arab League states - Mentioned as having gathered with other leaders to work on dismantling Hamas.
• Hezbollah - Mentioned as a group against whom Israel has had security successes.
• Palestinian Authority - Mentioned as a body that needs reform and as a potential part of the governance of Gaza in the “day after” plan.
• Knesset - Mentioned as the Israeli parliament that voted to restart settlements in the West Bank.
• Trump administration - Mentioned as having different views and ongoing diplomacy regarding the Palestinian statehood recognition and related issues.
• UNRWA - Mentioned as an organization that has led actions to help Palestinian people.
• United Kingdom - Mentioned as working closely with France on an international force in Gaza.
• Jordan - Mentioned as a country that might finance an international force in Gaza.
• European Union - Mentioned in relation to its premises being destroyed by Russian attacks and its role in coordinating sanctions.
• NATO - Mentioned in the context of Russian incursions into Polish and Romanian airspace and the U.S. role within the alliance.
• European leaders - Mentioned as having committed with President Zelensky to provide security guarantees to Ukraine.
• Coalition of the willing - A group of 30 countries working to provide peace and security guarantees to Ukraine.
• Central bank - Mentioned in relation to frozen assets and international rules.
• China - Mentioned in the context of potential U.S. pressure for sanctions or tariffs.

Documents

• New York Declaration - A declaration voted on by 142 countries, gathering Arab League states and regional leaders to work on dismantling Hamas.
• Genocide Convention - Mentioned in relation to an independent commission’s conclusion about Israel’s intent.
• Article - Published by U.S. ambassador Charles Kushner criticizing France’s handling of anti-Semitism.
• Public letter - Mentioned as being from the Prime Minister of Israel, linking recognition of Palestinian statehood to anti-Semitism.

Tools

• Audit structure - A U.S. audit structure mentioned in the context of monitoring the “pay for slay” program.
• DDR process (Disarmament, Demobilization, and Reintegration) - Mentioned as a process familiar to experts for dealing with Hamas fighters.

Technologies

• Drones - Mentioned in the context of Russian incursions into Poland and Romania.
• Fighter jets - Mentioned in the context of NATO’s response to Russian incursions, with the UK and France stepping up.

Concepts/Other

• Palestinian statehood - A central theme of the interview, with discussions on recognition, conditions, and political processes.
• Recognition of Palestinian statehood - The core action being discussed, with its timing and implications.
• Peace process - The broader framework within which the recognition of Palestinian statehood is being considered.
• Cease-fire - A key element of the emergency phase of the proposed peace plan.
• Release of hostages - A stated requirement before opening an embassy in Palestine and a top priority for the speaker.
• Humanitarian roads - To be restored in the emergency phase of the peace plan.
• Stabilization of Gaza - An objective of the emergency phase.
• Governance of Gaza - To be organized in the “day after” phase.
• Security in Gaza - To be organized in the “day after” phase.
• Reconstruction of Gaza - A plan for the “day after” phase.
• Two-state perspective - A package in the peace plan, referring to the two-state solution.
• Embassy in Palestine - Something that would be opened after the release of hostages.
• Diplomacy - Mentioned in the context of Hamas’s incentive to start diplomacy and the diplomacy underway with the Trump administration.
• Political perspective - To be preserved for everyone in the region for peace and security.
• Peace and security plan - To be initiated with the recognition of a Palestinian state.
• Emergency phase - The first phase of the peace plan.
• “Day after” phase - The second phase of the peace plan, focusing on Gaza’s organization.
• Reckless decision - How Secretary of State Marco Rubio described the recognition of Palestinian statehood.
• Political solution - Recognizing a Palestinian state is presented as the only way to achieve this.
• Anti-Semitism - A major concern for France, with discussions on its definition, prevalence, and the ambassador’s statements.
• Anti-Sionism - Stated as unacceptable and equivalent to anti-Semitism, but disagreement with the Israeli government is differentiated.
• Ethnic cleansing - A concern raised regarding the idea of Palestinians leaving Gaza.
• Genocide - The speaker explicitly states they do not qualify the current situation as genocide.
• Displacement of population - A concern regarding actions in Gaza and a potential obstacle to the “day after” plan.
• Humanitarian disaster - A potential outcome of the proposed displacement of people from Gaza.
• Muslim and Jewish populations - France’s large populations of these groups are mentioned.
• Sanctions - Discussed in the context of Russia and potential secondary sanctions on countries helping Russia avoid sanctions.
• Tariffs - Mentioned in relation to potential U.S. administration arguments regarding China.
• Frozen assets - Discussed in relation to Russia and international rules.
• International rules - Emphasized as crucial to respect, especially concerning frozen assets.
• Decoupling strategy - France is not pursuing this with China, but a de-risking strategy.
• De-risking strategy - France’s approach to China.
• Destabilizing and aggressive power - How Russia is described.
• Security guarantees to Ukraine - A commitment made by European leaders and the coalition of the willing.
• Peace agreement - What Ukraine needs to negotiate with Russia.
• Secondary sanctions - Sanctions on third countries helping Russia avoid sanctions.
• European pillar - The need for a stronger European pillar within NATO is advocated.
• Strategic autonomy - The need for more European strategic autonomy is defended.
• Defense expenditures - The importance of Europeans increasing their defense budgets is highlighted.
• European defence industry, research and development - The need for these to be built together is emphasized.
• Pacific side - Mentioned as an area the U.S. might focus more on.