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Interviewer: So when I wanted to ask you, what was it like when you actually got in? Because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running for president, you don't really know what it's going to be like when you actually get into office. What did you think it was going to be like?
Interviewee: So when I was in, and won, and was in the White House, essentially, yes. Well, first of all, it was very surreal. Oh, no, it's very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn't surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying, you were hit all over the place because there was so much blood from the ear, you would know that better than anyone. When they get the ear torn up. Anyway, so. And I was thinking, the other day, when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said, I wasn't hit anywhere. With the presidency, it was a very surreal experience. Okay. And what's day one like? You win.
Interviewer: Yeah. You get inaugurated. Holy shit, I'm the president.
Interviewee: Yeah, that's what happened. So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just built a building on, you know, the hotel, the old post office. It was, we called it Trump National Hotel, and we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria. And it was a wonderful thing. But I'm driving down, I'm passing the hotel. You've never seen so many motorcycles, police, military. You know, it was a major thing. I got off, really, the first time I used Air Force One, landed, and we're coming down. And they were, it was very beautiful. I mean, it was incredible. And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction. You know, normally you're used to going one way, and all of a sudden, you're going the other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted to go out and I wanted to wave to everybody. But that wasn't smart. You know, the kids, a little bit dangerous, right? I mean, when you watch, like Kennedy and some others, right? But I really felt, I don't know, the love was so crazy. And so I did get out of the car for a brief, you know, just for a very short walk. I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on, that became sort of a staple. It was, people loved it. And Barron. And we're walking down the street. But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House. And now it's a little bit, a little bit before dark. Beautiful. And we went up to the President's quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I'm standing in this beautiful hallway.
Interviewee: You know, it's funny, nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it's going to be everything's going to be all metal doors and stuff. It's not. It's so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The hallway is like 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, it's so beautiful. But I was standing there and I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln Bedroom. I had never seen the Lincoln Bedroom. I had heard about the Lincoln Bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln Bedroom. I mean, it was like, it was, it was amazing. Because it's, look, if you love the country, but here you are, the Lincoln Bedroom. And the bed, you know, he was very tall, he was 6 foot 6, which then would be like, like Barron. Right? Would be like Barron Trump. He's 6'9". But 6 foot 6. He was very tall. Then on top of it, he wore, there it is. He wore that. Yeah, there it is. It's a long bed. Elongated bed. And because very, you know, people were shorter than you see. Some of the chairs are very, very low to the ground. Actually. But he had the long bed. And they had, you had the Gettysburg Address, right on that, right under that. You can't see it here, but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg Address. And this is the original. And I'm looking, and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never, first of all, even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician. It just, I sort of just started. And all of a sudden I'm standing at the White House. And it was very, very surreal. That room was so beautiful to me, much more beautiful than it actually is, you know, to me. When I looked at the bed, and the bed, you could see it was a little bit longer. Had to be a little bit longer. He lost his son, and they suffered. The two of them suffered from melancholia. They didn't call it depression, they called it melancholia. And they suffered from it. He was a very depressed guy. And she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Tad. Tad. And it was just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. I mean, you can't see the details there. A little tiny everything. The way it was. A little tiny picture of Tad, who he lost, and it was devastating. And he was, you know, he was. Look, he was in a war, and he was having a hard time because he couldn't beat Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee won like 13 battles in a row. And he was getting like a phobia. Like a fighter. You know, you know about the fight stuff. But like I went to a UFC fight, and it was a champion who was 14 and 1 about a year ago. You would know the names. 14 and 1. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy. But the guy that he was fighting was like almost just an average fighter. Lost numerous times. But he beat this one guy. So I said, okay.
Interviewer: I really don't know who you're talking about.
Interviewee: I'm trying to, I will figure it out. Okay. But about a year ago. But the point is that he lost. He wasn't nearly the fighter. But the one who was not nearly the fighter had beaten. He's the only guy that beat the champ like five years before. And I said, I'll take the guy that won the other fight. And that's what happened. He beat him a second time. Sometimes.
Interviewer: Psychological advantage. Yeah.
Interviewee: What is this crazy thing? Lincoln had a, I don't know. I've never read this. I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with the whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had the yips, in a way, as the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert E. Lee. He said, I can't beat Robert. Because Robert E. Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out, you know. They tried to get Robert E. Lee to be on the North, but he said, no, I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing. And he went to the South. And he was. I've had generals tell me, we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television. The ones that beat ISIS with me. We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years, and we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys. These are not woke guys. But their favorite general, in terms of genius, was Robert E. Lee, in terms of strategy.
Interviewer: And how did you know who to appoint? Well, I didn't. I had no experience.
Interviewee: I was there 17 times in Washington. And I never stayed over. According to the press, which I think is probably right. Over the years, I was only there 17 times. I never stayed over. So now I'm sitting there and I'm saying, this place is gorgeous. But, you know, I don't know anybody. It's like you. You know, you go to certain areas, and other areas, they may be great. Washington was great. Washington's not so great right now. They're gonna, we gotta fix it. We gotta make it better. A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We're gonna make it great. We're gonna make it better. We're gonna bring it back. But I wasn't a Washington guy. I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder. And I built buildings in New York and I knew that whole world. But I didn't know the Washington world too well. And all of a sudden, you're supposed to be appointing top people. So.
Interviewer: So what did you think it was going to be like versus, like, did you have any ideas of what it was going to be like? And what was different?
Interviewee: Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of a donor. I was a donor. You know, I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed politics.
Interviewer: Mostly Democrats, right?
Interviewee: Both, really. Pretty much both. I had actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young.
Interviewer: Well, you were a Democrat until like, what year?
Interviewee: I was a Democrat. I could get you the exact, but the early '90s. The early '90s. I switched over eventually. I actually, they had a Reform Party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while. But then, fortunately, I didn't, because it's very hard. You know, it's a two-party system. And anytime you hear third party, I know you like RFK Jr. And so do I. He's a fantastic guy.
Interviewer: I do, but I thought being an independent...
Interviewee: Was nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because even if you do great, you're not going to get Congress. In other words, right? You need now to say, okay, now I'll get half of Congress that's never going to vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he's now with us. But it doesn't, it's pure and simple. It's a two-party system, right? And somebody, I won't mention his name, but somebody spent $250 million trying to get the nomination as a Reform Party candidate or whatever. And they got nowhere. You get eaten. You just get eaten. The system eats you alive, right? So it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics. So in the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you've had 92% were politicians. And 8% were generals. General Eisenhower, General Washington, right? General George Washington. You had generals. So it's 8% no admirals. 8% generals. And 92% politicians. You know, they're politicians. And they go on. So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn't elected to an office. They were all, like, Ronald Reagan was really, he was a movie actor, but he became the governor of California for, I think, two terms. And then he ran. So you'd never had a thing like this. But I, you know, in terms of me, and sometimes I'd use it as an excuse, and I don't like having excuses. Actually, but I'd use it as an excuse. I had to rely, to rely on people. And I'd have three or four people recommend one thing. I can tell you, everybody wants the position. Of course. No, no. But sometimes I'll hear, a lot of people don't want to work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, etc. Let me tell you, everybody wants to be in any one of these positions, they'd die for it. Of course. Now, they don't want to be known. I mean, there's a particular guy in New York, primarily, very big, very big, very successful, very, very strong, very political. Although he's not a politician. He'd give anything to be Secretary of State. But if they ask him, no, I don't think I would do it. But in the meantime, begging for it. Okay. Begging. They all.
Interviewer: I believe you.
Interviewee: Everybody, look, everybody wants it. No matter what you do. But it's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician has been basically vetted for years, right? You pick a business guy, and they've never been vetted at all. And they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been vetted. You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing about where he's been. When you put him in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up, and you hear things that you're saying, wow, this is not going to work out too well. So it's very dangerous picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
Interviewer: So you're kind of stuck in a position where you have to pick established people. And then the problem with established people is established people are already indoctrinated into the system.
Interviewee: And they're stiffs, in many cases. They're stiffs. They don't have, nothing. They have nothing. Or they're smart and survivor. A little thing. So there was a congressman years before I ran, and I was very close to him. And I needed a license on something. And he was very important in getting the license. But it was a little bit controversial, the license. This particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy, and helped him, and everything else. And I went to him. I said, I'd like to have you help. And he said, let me take a look at it. I said, oh, that's not too good. But I really hope you're going to help. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn't do it. And I said, you are a stiff. You could have done this thing so easy, etc. But it was controversial. He was in Congress for many years, like 28 years. And you know, there's a reason when somebody's there for 28 years, you've got to be sort of smart, right?
Interviewer: You know, you have all the scandals.
Interviewee: And I realized he was a survivor.
Interviewer: And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion. It's outside of the.
Interviewee: Yeah. And yet I don't disrespect him for it. I actually respected the guy more in a certain way. I said.
Interviewer: Because he did survive.
Interviewee: You know what? He's been there like for 28 years, and he made it through. A lot of people don't make it through.
Interviewer: It's a good way for non-exceptional people to survive.
Interviewee: Well, it is.
Interviewer: So you're in there, you have 10,000 appointments you have to make. So you're getting advice from people. And at one point, did you have a moment in time where you realized, like, these are bad choices? Like, some of these people I shouldn't have had in there?
Interviewee: Oh, yeah. I think so. The one question that you'll ask me, that I think you'll ask me, that people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer. The one mistake. Because I had a lot of success. Great economy. Great everything. Everything was great. The military, we rebuilt it. Biggest tax cuts in history. All this stuff. We had a great presidency. Three Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young. This way they're there for 50 years, right? So, you know, even if a president is there for eight years, often times they never have a chance. I had three. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But I will say that it always comes back to the same answer. The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people. I picked some great people, you know. But you don't think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked. And neocons. Yeah. Or bad people. Or disloyal people. Or.
Interviewer: People that weren't because you got bad advice.
Interviewee: Yeah. I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about them a little bit today. A guy like Kelly, who was a bully. A bully, but a weak person. You know, you know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. Yeah. But, you know, he's bad. Bolton was an idiot. But he was great for me because I'd go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know, John Bolton, a friend of mine called, called me up. I was picking Bolton. And he's a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas. One of the, he's a great card player. He doesn't play cards, but he's a great card. You know, he's just a natural. Got poker sense, right? You know, the good old poker sense. And Phil Ruffin is a very, very wise, kind of a guy and very. One of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton. Or I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don't pick him. Why? He's a bad guy. Now, he wasn't in politics at all. He's in various businesses. He said, he's a bad guy. He's just, it always works out bad with that guy. And I said, oh, man, I wish you told me this two weeks ago. I already hired him. He's here. And he was right. But he was good in a certain way. He's a nutjob. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man, Trump's gonna go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should have never done it. I used to say it as a civilian. So I always got more publicity than other people. And I didn't. It wasn't like I was trying. In fact, I don't know. Exactly why. Maybe you can tell me.
Interviewer: Oh, I can definitely tell you. He said a lot of wild shit.
Interviewee: Maybe.
Interviewer: And then CNN, in all their brilliance, by highlighting your wild shit, made you much more popular. And they boosted you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit, pre-prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn't agree with you, they at least knew, whoever that guy is, that's him. That's really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don't know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know. And you see them in conversations, they have these pre-planned answers. They say everything. It's very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it. One of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball. Like, you get out and you do these huge events and you're just talking. And you're making. We've highlighted you on the show many times. When you did this Biden impression, where he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing.
Interviewee: It's funny. It's stand-up. It's funny stuff.
Interviewer: But it's like you, and you were making fun of Elon one time. You were doing an Elon impression. It's great. You have like comedic instincts. Like when you said to Hillary, "You'd be in jail." Like that's great timing. But it's like, that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like, no one had done that. And I think.
Interviewee: You know, it's funny.
Interviewer: You need.
Interviewee: At least the attitude of a comedian when you're doing this business. This is a very dangerous business. First of all. It's a very tough business. When It's the most dangerous business. Well, for a job, yes.
Interviewer: I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop. Yeah. It's the most dangerous.
Interviewee: It's the most dangerous. Being president is the most dangerous.
Interviewer: Especially you. I mean, you haven't even got to the election. There's been two assassination attempts. And they've brushed those out of the news like it was nothing. Yeah, they'd rather not talk about them. Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden. How hard people would be attacking the right. How they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on Biden, if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
Interviewee: But I think he's in good shape because it's only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what's happened. Look, I'm for having countries pay us billions and billions and trillions even dollars. I took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China. Nobody took in 10 cents. Not one other president. I do things that make it, I mean, that don't necessarily make me so popular. I just do what's right. And when you do that, you know, you're more. Look at, look at Iran. We would have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran was broke. I told China, if you buy, you can't do business in the United States. Under any. I was gonna, we're gonna go cold turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you're not doing business. I said that to many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas. They had no money. But I make myself, you know, I mean, I understand what I'm doing. You make yourself a target. And it's a very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically, so I said, I sort of think, I don't know if it's right, but one tenth of one percent for a race car driver. Yeah, it's a pretty dangerous business, right?
Interviewer: Yeah.
Interviewee: One tenth of one percent for a bull rider. I tell you, to me, you're talking death. These guys that ride the bulls. It's worse than UFC. It's worse. Yeah. These guys, you see these big monster bulls, and you see it in slow motion where the foot is like.
Interviewer: You know.
Interviewee: An inch away from the head. If it hits him, the guy's gone. But they die, you know, they die. So one tenth of one percent die. Right? And they certainly get hurt badly. Really. I mean, they can't walk after a certain period of time. But with a president, if you look at the amount of.
Interviewer: Assassination.
Interviewee: And attempts, too. And attempts. No, it's a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it. You know, you don't, you don't tend to. Do you just assume.
Interviewer: Because people loved you on The Apprentice, they were going to love you as a president.
Interviewee: Well, I figured it would be so easy. You know, it's very interesting.
Interviewer: Well, it probably would have been if the media didn't attack you the way they did. If they didn't conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like Kamala was talking about you and Hitler. They're going to take what you said about Robert E. Lee. "Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South won." That's right. He loves Robert E. Lee. They love to take things out of context and distort things.
Interviewee: But they don't even have to take them. They make them up entirely. They do that too. But, you know, it's interesting. When you mentioned I was very popular, and all those people loved me. I mean, this. Some of these, these women, they're so, they're so stupid. And Joy, she would, every time she'd see me, like I'd be in the theater or something. And she'd, "You have to be on the show again. Come on, come on, let's go." She loved you. She loved me. That episode.
Interviewer: People should watch that episode just to see what we're talking about. Like I said, we don't want to get a copyright strike. So we're not going to put it up. But if you watch the episode, it's bananas. It's like an alternative universe. And it's only nine years ago. Whoopi loved me.
Interviewee: Loved you. Gives you a hug and a kiss. And how about that other one? The new one on there. The one from my administration. She writes me a letter. "You're the greatest president." She leaves. You know, she worked as like an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her. But she leaves. And she writes me this gorgeous letter. What's her name? She was, I don't even know. You know, anyway, she was in the administration. She's on there currently. Sits in the far right-hand side. Whatever the hell her name is. And she writes a letter. The most beautiful letter. She's quoted in the paper. "He's a consequential. He was the greatest president." Bah, bah, bah. Then all of a sudden, she goes on The View. And she's not hitting the hell out of me because they won't hire. Unless I've had many people go on CNN, and they call and say, "I don't know what to do. They want to pay me a lot, but I have to be negative." And you? I said, be negative. That's okay. There are guys on like CNN. They won't hire them. Sean Duffy is a congressman. And he retired. He got a good job with CNN. But he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him. But they would never.
Interviewee: Put him on. I mean, I respect what he did. He could have gone, you know, negative. I tell people, go negative. Let my friends make the money. It's so crooked. The press is so crooked.
Interviewer: It's crooked. But it's also, they're diminishing themselves. They're hurting themselves. They're killing all their credibility. And it's opening up the credibility to new media. It's opening up the credibility to independent media.
Interviewee: The worst I've ever seen, though, and I've seen the worst. I mean, I've been a part of it. I've seen the worst. Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad. And 60 Minutes took the answer out. They took the whole. And they put another answer in.
Interviewer: They edited it deceptively.
Interviewee: Which didn't make sense either, but it was better. They took the. Well, it wasn't editing. It was fraud. Yeah. This was not editing. You know, editing is where I'll give an answer, and they'll take a couple of words and change them around, or they might even take a sentence or two off. Which is very bad. But that's it's sort of bad. You know, I'd give an answer which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long weaves. You know, I like to give.
Interviewer: Yeah, you like to weave things in. Yeah.
Interviewee: But when you do the weaves, and you have to be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave, look at this. Just in this one thing, we're talking about little pieces. But it always ends up. No, no. It comes back home. Yeah. For the right people. For the wrong people, it doesn't come back home. And they end up in the wilderness, right? But. But they can take my answer. And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or something. And they use the term, "Yes, we want to save time." Well, it's not. But I've never heard. I think it's the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to CBS? So you have CBS, 60 Minutes. That's a news program. It's not an entertainment program. It's under their news. It's the head of their news thing. She gives an answer that was, that shows that she's essentially incompetent. And they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
Interviewer: They took the whole version. It was available initially. It was like a preview.
Interviewee: Somebody made a big mistake. Somebody put that preview out there. Some kid put the preview out. Exactly. And then the bosses did this or that. Exactly. And then. They said, we got a problem.
Interviewer: Exactly.
Interviewee: And then they got caught by mistake. Well, but don't you think that's a big, to me. And don't forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it's 60 Minutes. It's their news division. So it's a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should pay a fortune. They're worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they're using the public airwaves. With cable, you don't have that. Cable's different. But you know, it's just a different deal. But with the networks, they give those licenses. They're worth billions of dollars. They give them out free. But you have to be honest. And all that was bad. I think that David Muir, and that woman, that was a side, I never even heard of her. But they kept interrupting me. It was like, I said, how many people am I debating here? I got this one, and I got you two. But he went after me 11 different times. You know, it's interesting. I always thought he was a nice guy, but he's just like the rest of them. You know.
Interviewer: Well, that's his job. Unfortunately. And I'm sure. No, but not when they're wrong. You're right. Well, the problem was, they fact-checked you. And they didn't fact-check her. Not at all. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there are no troops right now deployed in war zones. Yeah. There's a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, "Well, what the f*** are we then?" Because there's thousands of them. Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of too many troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed, stupidly deployed. But the point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it's going to be a real debate, you have to fact-check everybody. Like, if someone says, maybe she thought there was no. Which is also a problem. So it's one of two things. It's either it was not true. It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible. Or it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
Interviewee: Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he said, "No, no, crime has gone down." I said, "Where did you hear that one?" Crime has gone down. I mean, I'm debating with this guy. But I've had that.
Interviewer: Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed that crime had gone up substantially.
Interviewee: And by the way, the statistics were a fraud. Because when they put out the statistics, they didn't include some of the worst places. They didn't include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right. But I haven't gotten.
Interviewer: You turned out to be right. But then there's another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost. Look, the morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they've done this "defund the police" bullshit, right? These, the morale of these poor cops, it's fucking horrible. Yeah. It's the dumbest idea of all time. So bad.
Interviewee: But what they've done is they've, they've made these cops feel terrible. Like good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It's like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you say, "Carpenters fucking suck." But they don't suck. Most of them are great. And that's the key thing with cops. But the point is, like, they did all of these things in this very foolish way, right? And these cops are suffering the consequences of it. And so subsequently, what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of crime. Like you call the cops, they're too busy. They can't even get to you. Or your house got broken into. Sorry. You know, it doesn't even make a report. There's a lot of people that they just give up.
Interviewee: It's so sad what's happened. And I'll tell you what, I go to police funerals. And we went to one in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island. A very big deal. It's so dangerous. People don't realize. The car, dark windows, pull over. He's a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens, guy comes out firing. Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they're not, they can't do it in time. They still wouldn't have time. It's every cop's first nightmare. They open a door, and he was killed. And his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don't have, I mean, you don't even have an eighth of a second to think. And it is such a dangerous job. That in particular, think of it. You go up to a car, you don't know who's sitting there with a gun. And if they have a gun, you really don't have a chance. You're not allowed to have your gun out, by the way. They have very strict rules. So number one, but even if you could have your gun out, the door opens, and bullets start firing out. You know. And especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows. It is such a dangerous profession. And it's very hard to get cops now because they're not given any backup. And you're right. You know, they have like an eighth of a second to make a decision that's going to change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they're going to end up on the front page of every newspaper in the country, and they're going to lose their house, and their pension, and their job, and their wife is going to be gone, and everything's going to be gone.
Interviewer: And here's another thing that people don't talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. You know, I've talked to a ton of cops about it. And you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed. A lot of cops. But we have to give them back.
Interviewee: Their dignity. We have to. We can't. We just have to give them back. You said it so good. You never hear anybody say that. You're never going to have it perfect. You're going to have a bad apple in everything, in every profession. But every time there's a bad apple that gets massive publicity, and it taints everybody.
Interviewer: But it's also this very irresponsible thing where people say, "Defund the police." "Get rid of the police." You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. It's a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training. You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You should have something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffered through.
Interviewee: She was a big part of "defund the police." That was a big thing for her. "Defund the police." Always "defund the police."
Interviewer: It's a political idea. But anybody.
Interviewee: With that political thought, I don't think should be running for president. And I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we're doing pretty well now. I don't know, maybe in a week from now I'll say, "Sorry about that, I was wrong." But we're leading everything. And I think we're going to have a very good election. But I tell people, because people are starting to get to know her. But she was "defund the police." She was, all these transgender operations. You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.
Interviewer: Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex changes to illegal immigrants.
Interviewee: That's right. In detention. That is the wildest thing. Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here from Guatemala. You need to become a girl.
Interviewer: But she was in favor of it. Yes. So think of it. She was. Now she changed. She changed 15 policies. In fact, I'm going to send her a MAGA cap.
Interviewee: She stole your idea about no tax for tips. I came up with this idea that honestly, nobody ever heard of. And now, it took her two months. But, you know, all of a sudden.
Interviewer: Well, it caught fire.
Interviewee: And she just put it into a little speech. Yeah.
Interviewer: Well, but I think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But no, we have a lot of good issues. You know, we had the other day. Think of how simple some of these things are. We're trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It's been a disaster. They have a huge factory, a huge car auto plant being built by China in Mexico. Make cars, sell them in the United States. Put everybody out of business right here. Here we go again. I said, if that plant is there when I'm president, I will put 100 or 200% tariffs on every car. They'll be unsalable in the United States. And they just announced they're not going to build the plant because they think I'm going to win. Think of it. They're not going to build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have more than all of Michigan makes. That's how big. You know, this is what we're getting to. And I said, if that plant goes up, I want them to understand, if I win, I'm going to tax those cars at the rate of 100 or 200% a piece. So that you won't be able to sell them in the United States. They just announced they're not going to build the plant.
Interviewer: Yeah, I read that.
Interviewee: I did a big favor for our country by doing that. And I'm not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I've said this for the last couple of weeks, in the dictionary today, and any, is the word "tariff." It's more beautiful than love. It's more beautiful than anything. It's the most beautiful word. This country can become rich with the use, the proper use of tariffs. It'll keep.
Interviewer: Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Interviewee: Well, okay. Are we serious about that? Yeah, sure. But why not? Because we. Ready? Our country was the richest in the, relatively, in the 1880s and 1890s. A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His language was really beautiful. "We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families unless they pay a big price." And the big price is tariffs. And he'd speak like that. But he was right. And then around in the early 1900s, they switched over stupidly to frankly an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America. "We don't want to pay tariffs, please don't." Believe me, they control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make. Then and now. But we had a commission meeting in the. I think it was 1887. Think of this problem. We were so rich, we had so much money, we didn't know what to do. So they set up a blue-ribbon commission on tariffs. And the sole purpose is what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it. That's what China did. If you want to open a factory and sell cars, if you build a factory. Or have a factory. They don't take our cars. They wouldn't take our cars. But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you're a fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He's the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. Yeah.
Interviewer: I told the story once or twice. So you may have heard it. Because his speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night?
Interviewee: 29,000 people. That was. Yeah. And the one, the night before, was the same thing. We are, we are rocking and rolling. But, but Elon, and I'm talking to this very important guy. I say, wait a minute. I'm looking at something. The television's unmuted, right? And I see this rocket. It's all brown from the heat, you know. It's like 10,000 degrees pouring down at thousands of miles an hour. And I see this thing. You know, it's like a 20-story building. And it catches. And I say to this guy, it's an important guy, "Wait a minute."
Interviewee: Let me just put you down. Hold it. I gotta see this. And I see this. And it's gonna crash. I say, it's gonna crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh, man, that's gotta be a disaster. Because it's starting to get very close. And then all of a sudden, you see the flames. And about a. And it boom. And then you see the two arms grab it. Crazy. And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. I forgot. No, I called Elon. I said, "Was that you?" He said, "That was me." And I said, "Who else can do that?" He said, "Nobody. Russia can't do it. The United States." Nobody can do it. You know, I set up Space Force. That was me. And that's the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And that's gonna be one of our most important things. But think of what Elon does. And he did one other thing that I never heard of. It's Starlink. I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places, right there. I followed it right down. And they had no communication. The poles were all knocked down. Every. And one of the guys in North Carolina said, "Could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk?" Yes. He endorsed me, by the way. He gave me the nicest endorsement. To the tough. He said, "The country's gonna fail. You should do the same thing, Joe. Because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala, you're not a Kamala person. I know you. I've watched you. I know him better than he is. You know what, without speaking to you, I think I know you. Maybe almost as well as your wife. I have watched you for so many years. You're not a Kamala person. You're a Khabib person. But you're not a Kamala person." Nobody's gonna know who Khabib is. But. Oh, they know who Khabib is. He was not. He was not bad, right? Oh, he was phenomenal. But that's your kind of person.
Interviewer: Your weave is getting wide. We're getting wide with this weave. I want to bring it back to tariffs.
Interviewee: But wait, one second. Before we finish with tariffs. So they said, they said, "Could you get him? We need Starlink." And I call Elon. He got it for him so fast. Saved so many lives. And I said, "How was it?" They said, "Better than the wires." You know, they couldn't put them in. They were all, they were all gone. So getting back to there.
Interviewer: Well, nuclear is bad. I mean, I think there's a little danger to nuclear. But you know, we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think, South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build these massive things. Then the environmentalists get in. I don't want to go into a long story because it's too long for the show. This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It's number 12 concrete. It's harder than steel. It's incredible. They put up a wall. And an inspector comes along and goes, "Nope." "Nope. You're a quarter of an inch. The wall might be eight feet wide. You're a quarter of an inch too short. I'm sorry. You've got to rip down the wall because it's got to be poured contiguously, right? You're one quarter of an inch. I'm sorry. Rip down." You can't rip it down. This stuff, you can't put a hammer through. You can't. It's incredible concrete technology is unbelievable. What's happening? You think of concrete.
Interviewer: So you think that's an example of overregulation? Pointless?
Interviewee: Well, you have an inspector that comes along, and he says, "Take down a $25 zillion dollar wall." These things ended up costing $25 billion. And one of them never got opened. But here's the story. So France does it. France is largely nuclear. And they build small, little compact plants. And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up. And they hook it up because they get too big, and too complex, and too expensive. And it is very clean. They say it's absolute. You know, my uncle, I had a great uncle who was a great genius, just like other members of my family. But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years. He was the longest. When I was in the White House, the head of MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, "I have a book on your uncle, Dr. John Trump. He was our longest serving professor. He was a great genius." Sir, do you know how? And he knew everything about nuclear, from math to chemistry to nuclear. He knew it. And he said, "Someday, it's going to be the way to go." But the problem is, it's so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald, someday. And this was a long time ago. Uncle John, Dr. John Trump. He said, "Someday, you'll have a little satchel at your side, and you'll go into a building, and you'll be able to blow up New York City." I said, "Uncle John, that'll never happen." He's right. You know, he's right.
Interviewer: The power is so crazy. Well, that was part of the problem with giving nuclear power to other countries, right? Like that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power, and then they were able to weaponize it.
Interviewee: The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It's nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn't make it past four o'clock. And it's not because of age. You know, they ought to. I know so many guys in their late 80s, and they're better than I. I said to one guy the other day, "I think you're smarter than you were 25 years ago." I've known him a long time. He's 89 years old. He's sharp. I mean, he's great. Biden gives people a bad name because that's not, that's not an age. I think they say it because I'm three or four years younger. You know, I think that's why they say it. They say his age. It's not his age. He's got a problem.
Interviewer: Two major brain surgeries. He did. Those are not good operations. And do you see what he did today? He went running towards the camera and made some apology to Native Americans. And he said, "That's why he's headed out west, like he's off the reservation, so to speak, for lack of a better term."
Interviewee: You know, it's interesting because during the debate, I was looking over. I'm saying, this is strange. It's just sort of like strange things were happening.
Interviewer: Yeah. But.
Interviewee: Well, he couldn't keep it together. Do you think they knew he couldn't keep it together?
Interviewer: I think so.
Interviewee: Do you think that maybe could be.
Interviewer: Well, that is what happened. So it's logical. I think they also said, "Do the debate now and get it over with." Right? I don't think anybody thought he was going to get out. Really. That didn't make any sense. The debate, the debate got him out. But I think it's very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate. His numbers went down. But I think she's not doing very well right now. And I think she looks.
Interviewer: Well, I want to get to that too, because it's hard to know. Like, the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don't answer polls. So they read the polls. Well, you have a poll. I've never been polled. If I did, I'd hang up.
Interviewee: I was never called by a pollster.
Interviewer: By a poll system. If I did, I wouldn't answer. I'm busy.
Interviewee: You know how polls are done? Oh, I'm going to get myself in trouble. Please. So I really don't believe too much in them. So.
Interviewer: Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective use of polls.
Interviewee: Well, they were very ineffective. Because I thought I was doing well. I'd go to a place, and I'd have 30,000, 40,000 people. Hillary would go, they have 500 people. And they'd tell me, "I'm going to lose." I said, "Why am I going to lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people." But you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge you a lot of money too. You know, they charge you half a million bucks to do some stupid poll. And they interview like 251 people. I don't think they interview in many cases. I don't want to get myself in too much trouble.
Interviewer: You think it's bullshit?
Interviewee: I think they sit there. They make a deal. They get a half a million bucks. And they say, "Trump's leading 51 to 49." They announce it. And everybody says, "Oh." Do you understand? I don't think they. I think in a lot, look, I'm a very common sense person. I think that they probably don't always poll. Some of them probably never poll.
Interviewer: What's the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half?
Interviewee: I don't know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.
Interviewer: Exactly. That's my point. So.
Interviewer: Here's my question.
Interviewee: But I shouldn't say that because I'm doing really well in the polls. But I think that's. So this week, I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe if they're good. No, I like them this month. But no, I honestly believe that there's probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll, Washington Post, ABC, in the Hillary thing, on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong. Because I had a rally, I had 29,000 people at a racetrack, and it was like zero degrees Wisconsin. And they had me down.
Interviewee: 17 points. In other words, you had no chance. And I won. And I called up my pollster, who's a good guy, good guy. And I believe he's legitimate. And you know, some of them are, and some of them are. I said, "Tell me, why did they have me down so much?" I mean, nobody's going to believe them. The next time. They said, "They don't care. When you're down 17 points, people are going to stay home. They're not going to vote." Because they're going to say, "I love Trump, but I'm not going to waste my time. It's cold out." I said, "But what do they make it? Four or five?" He said, "At four or five, they're going to go and vote. At 17, they're not going to go and vote." So think of it.
Interviewer: I was seven.
Interviewee: This is the Washington Post, ABC poll. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin. And I won. It's crooked stuff.
Interviewer: There's a lot of crooked stuff. And I wanted to talk about that too. Because one of the things that people talk about with you is the denial of the results. And I think J.D. Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed. And they asked him, "Did Trump lose the 2020 election?" And he turned it around and said, "Was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?"
Interviewee: Well, they say it made. A ten-point difference. And I lost by one. One tenth of a point. They say it was 22,000 votes. But look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate J.D. Vance saying that. And by the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like J.D. as a pick?
Interviewer: I like him a lot. You're allowed to say that. No, I do. I think he's a brilliant guy. And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. You did my friend Theo Von's podcast, right? And he just did it.
Interviewee: How did he do with it?
Interviewer: He did great. He just talks like a normal human being.
Interviewee: Is that why you called me to do this?
Interviewer: No, no. I was. He was a nice guy. Once they shot you, I was like, he's got to come in here. It's all about timing. It's all about the timing. Timing's good. I think timing's perfect. Do you even have a scar on your ear?
Interviewer: You got anything on there?
Interviewee: I do. What do we say? Let me say, we got that.
Interviewee: So right over here. That's a tiny little mark. It zicked right there. It healed up pretty fucking good. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah. It's not like some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
Interviewer: No, you didn't get cauliflower.
Interviewee: No, no. It was sort of like a top shot. The point of the bullet was a little of the ass. But you see the things take it off a little bit. But it makes me a tougher guy. You know the fighters? You know the fighters love their. You know, Bo Nickel. He's a great fighter.
Interviewer: Yeah, I love Bo Nickel.
Interviewee: How's he going to do?
Interviewer: I think he's terrific. He's great. He's a fantastic fighter. He was almost like undefeated in college.
Interviewee: He's still. Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler and one of the best mixed martial artists.
Interviewer: When is he fighting again?
Interviewee: He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
Interviewer: Oh, that's going to be an interesting. After the election. Yep. So I'll either go as president or I'll be depressed and I won't bother. Yeah, I think they're having a fight right after.
Interviewer: One of the things that was fascinating also was the denial of the election results. Is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president and she said that Russia put you in place.
Interviewee: Even though she conceded.
Interviewer: Yes.
Interviewee: You know, she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.
Interviewer: Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There's been many of them. The Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling chads. All that stuff.
Interviewee: Well, look at these guys in Congress. All these sleazebags in Congress that are Democrats. They're still denying 2016. But now they don't so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me. You don't hear them say.
Interviewer: But here's my point. But they denied it right up until the end. My point is, this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic. And you get labeled an election denier. It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have had from the COVID-19 shots. Oh my God, you're anti. You're an anti-vaxxer. If you say, and what I say publicly, and I've said this a lot, it's not zero percent. So if you ask me, what is the amount of election fraud in this country? Is it zero percent?
Interviewee: No one thinks it's zero percent. I've never met one person. Not a super liberal, progressive, far-left person, or a right-wing conservative. Not one person thinks it's zero percent. They think when you have human beings and also you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail-in ballots.
Interviewee: And you had legislatures that had to approve, and they didn't approve. And they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot, you had old-fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had. Right. You have people going up and dropping in phony votes. You had unsigned ballots. Et cetera, et cetera. There are certain people that think that they have.
Interviewer: And the rhetoric is also that you're Hitler. And that in order to stop Hitler, you have to do whatever it takes. That was okay. Yeah. Yeah. And this is. I mean, you're hearing this now. Kamala compared you to. Said your love of Hitler yesterday. It's.
Interviewee: You know, Kamala's a very low IQ person. She's a very low IQ. You know, I'm for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take. They should give them tests. And it's not an age thing. It's not based. If you look back on history, 70s and 80s, your greatest, some of your greatest leaders in the world, world history, long time world history, they were in their 70s and their 80s. But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think everybody. They say it's unconstitutional. That's ridiculous. And you know, it's fine. I don't care. I want to. I think it's much more interesting. She, to do an interview with Anderson Cooper, a softball, crazy softball interview. She took two days off. And she studied and studied all day long. And then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn't answer a question. And every question is not answered. I mean, like, what would you do? Your first day in office? Okay. I'll build a wall. I won't build a wall. There's a hundred things you can say. Just say anything, right?
Interviewee: There's something off with her. Well, I also think we're dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say, you know, when the press, when I call President Xi, they said, "He called President Xi brilliant." Well, he's a brilliant guy. He controls 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. I mean, he's a brilliant guy, whether you like it or not. And they go crazy.
Interviewer: Right. It doesn't mean he's not evil. Or it doesn't mean he's not. Yeah, of course not. Dangerous.
Interviewee: But actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. I had a. Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
Interviewer: How would you have stopped it?
Interviewee: Automatic. Two things. I told him, I said, "Vladimir, you're not going in." I used to talk to him all the time. "You're not going in." I can't tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate. But someday he'll tell you. But he would have never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn't have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel. Wouldn't have allowed him. Wouldn't have given him the money to prosecute that war. Wouldn't have given him the money. I said it with President. I was with President Xi. I said it was almost the same conversation. With Vladimir. It was Moscow. With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, "Don't do it." He would have never done it. The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan. 28 bombers. And it's the apple of his eye. And the same thing with Russia. Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn't have done it. He would have never done it. But he also wouldn't have done it because of the. You know, one of the reasons that what happened is number one, he doesn't respect Biden at all. Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn't respect him. But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled. Number one, you take the soldiers out last. Not first. Okay, that was their big mistake. And we had that thing charted out. And they weren't obeying us. They weren't. Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom, boom. He had to do all these things. Some he didn't do. I said, "Nope, you're not doing. You got to do them all." This guy took. Immediately took all. He left the equipment behind. Thirteen soldiers dead. But he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before. A child would know. That's where Millie was so stupid. He was such a stupid guy. Millie. Okay. Those generals should have all been fired. The Afghan, the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then they'd be writing books about him. How stupid he was. How bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last. I had a big rally. And I saw a child in the front row about a year and a half ago. And I called the child up. I said, "Do you mind if I borrow your child?" "Oh, yes, please." And they came up. Kids, five years. I gave them quick details. You know, I said, "We want to get out of this place. And we have this. And we have this. And we have the equipment." I gave them a little thing. I said, "Do you take your soldiers out first or last?" After everything's done, you take them out last, sir. A child would know that. We took our soldiers out first. What was your plan? And we left Bagram.
Interviewer: Well, not only that. Bagram. We left billions of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
Interviewee: The best equipment. Yeah. To embarrass us. The best equipment in the world.
Interviewer: The Taliban parade where they've got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen. The fact that we left all that stuff there.
Interviewee: We left the best equipment in the world behind.
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