Joe Rogan Experience #2219 - Donald Trump

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One of the things I wanted to talk to you about I wanted to play this But we decided we shouldn't play it Because it could get copyright strike And we don't want to get the episode We don't want anybody to have any sort of way to get it down Sure But it was the episode of you when you were on The View And I think it was 2015 or 2016 Like when you were running for president

Right

And you sat, you got introduced as our friend Donald Trump That's right Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss Joy Behar gives you a big hug Barbara Walters gives you a big hug They all loved you They were all talking about how you're Or you might be conservative in your financial positions But you're very liberal socially They were talking about you as such a favorable light The audience was cheering

And then you actually started winning in the polls And then the machine started working towards you But there's probably no one in history that I've ever seen That's been attacked the way you've been attacked And the way they've done it So coordinated and systematically And when you see those same people in the past Very favorable to you Like Oprah when you were on Oprah's show She was encouraging you

Last week I did one of her last shows I think maybe Thursday or Friday That was a big deal Being on Oprah's show The last one And I was like one of the last shows In that last That final week And I said Boy we've come a long way since Since that What was it like?

Well the concept It was really like two different lives You know I had a A very wonderful life But I wanted to do this The Apprentice was still going very strong We had 12 seasons

And we had actually 14 seasons 12 years They had a couple of them

Well they canceled The Apprentice When you were running for president Correct?

No they had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it I was involved in that And I had enough of it And we did great It was doing great But they wanted me to stay They all came to see me They said We're going to give you a contract They wanted to extend my contract Mark Burnett is a great guy Then they wanted to extend the contract Mark said you're crazy Don't run Don't run Nobody gives up prime time They said You know it's one of those little things Which is probably true Nobody gives up prime time though

For being president?

For running Well for running against 20 some odd people You know Turned out to be 18 18 professional people You know mostly politicians They said who would do this I mean it's a long shot Actually the heads of NBC came over

Paul Talegny All the top people came over To see me try and talk me out of it Because they wanted to have me extend The Apprentice was doing well So it was 14 seasons It was 12 years We had one Two seasons Where we had a double Which rarely happens It was just a hot show And I said You know I want to do this What happened is Previously Like three years Four years before that They did a poll They had Mitt Romney And somehow They put me in a poll And I blew everybody away I blew him away

Which isn't that hard Frankly But I blew everybody away And I said That's interesting Because I never really Gave it that much real thought I thought about it But never real thought But I saw these polls Were very good And so I was thinking About doing it then But I had a contract With The Apprentice Plus I was building Two big buildings at the time And I wanted to make sure They got finished up properly And it was one of those things The kids were just sort of Getting involved They're very capable kids But they were getting involved Early on So I did that I got them done And I had some Very good successes And I came on

And then I thought about it For the next one After the Romney disaster And I ran and I won Against Hillary And it was quite an experience But it was a different life Because you're right The View I was on The View Many, many times

And they loved me

Just the way people would talk I mean even if people Had criticisms about you People that didn't like you There was always feuds And stuff like that But the reality was The thing turned on you When they found out That you were going to be president It was very coordinated And some people Are catching on to that now There's a lot of people That were long time Democrats Like Elon And Bill Ackman And all these different Very intelligent people

And they support me Now Bill Ackman supports me He's been very supportive too

This is what I wanted to ask you What was it like When you actually got in Because nobody really Can prepare you for that When you're running for president You don't really know What it's going to be like When you actually get into office What was the What did you think It was going to be like

So do you mean in office Or when I decided to run

No when you got in When you got in

So when I was in And won And was in the White House Essentially Yes Well first of all It was very surreal Oh no It's very interesting When I got shot It wasn't surreal That should have been surreal When I was laying on the ground I knew exactly What was going on I knew exactly Where I was hit They were saying You were hit All over the place Because there was so much Blood from the ear You would know that Better than anyone When they get the ear torn up

Ears bleed a lot They bleed

Anyway So And I was thinking The other day When that happened I really knew where I was I knew exactly what happened I said I wasn't hit anywhere With the presidency It was a very surreal experience Okay And what's day one like You win

Yeah You get inaugurated Holy shit I'm the president

Yeah that's what happened So I'm driving down Pennsylvania Avenue I just built a building On pencil You know the hotel The old post office It was We called it Trump National Hotel And we sold it To the Waldorf Astoria And it was a wonderful thing But I'm driving down I'm passing the hotel You've never seen So many motorcycles Police Military You know It was a major thing I got off Really the first time I used Air Force One Landed And we're coming down

And they were It was very beautiful I mean it was incredible And we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue In the opposite direction You know Normally you're used to Going one way And all of a sudden You're going the other way The street was loaded up And I wanted to go out And I wanted to Wave to everybody But that wasn't smart You know The kids A little bit dangerous Right I mean When you watch Like Kennedy And some others Right But I really felt I don't know The love was so crazy And so I did get out of the car

For a brief You know Just for a very short walk I thought it was Very important to do And Melania got out With her beautiful dress on That became Sort of a staple It was People loved it And barren And we're Walking down the street But where it really got Amazing We get to the White House And now it's A little bit A little bit before dark Beautiful And we went up To the President's quarters They call them The presidential quarters And I'm standing In this beautiful hallway

You know It's funny Nobody ever talks About the White House As being beautiful inside You know You think it's going to be Everything's going to be All metal doors And stuff It's not It's so beautiful I made my money Largely on luxury The hallway is like 25 feet wide The ceiling heights Are It's so beautiful But I was standing there And I said to the guys I want to see The Lincoln Bedroom I had never seen The Lincoln Bedroom I'd heard about The Lincoln Bedroom And I was standing With my wife

I said Do you believe it This is the Lincoln Bedroom I mean It was like It was It was amazing Because It's Look If you love the country But here you are The Lincoln Bedroom And the bed You know He was very tall He was 6 foot 6 Which then would be like Like Barron Right Would be like Barron Trump He's 6'9 But 6 foot 6 He was very tall Then on top of it He wore There it is He wore that Yeah there it is It's a long bed Elongated bed

And because Very You know People were Shorter than You see Some of the Chairs are Very very low To the ground Actually But he had The long bed And they had You had the Gettysburg Address Right on that Right under that You can't see it here But right there The original version Of the Gettysburg Address And this is the original And I'm Looking And I just Looked around I said Do you believe this Because I was never First of all Even if you were A politician But I was never

A politician It just I sort of Just started Right And all of a sudden I'm standing At the White House And it was Very very surreal That room was So beautiful to me Much more beautiful Than it actually is You know To me When I looked At the bed And the bed You could see It was a little bit longer Had to be a little bit longer He lost his son And they suffered The two of them Suffered from Melancholia They didn't call it Depression They called it Melancholia And they suffered From it He was a Very depressed guy

And she was A very depressed woman More so than him And on top of that They lost their son Whose name was Tad Tad And it was Just seeing it In the little pictures A little tiny picture I mean you can't see The details there A little tiny Everything The way it was A little tiny picture Of Tad Who he lost And it was Devastating And he was You know He was

Look he was In a war And he was Having a hard time Because he couldn't Beat Robert E. Lee Robert E. Lee Won like 13 battles In a row And he was getting Like a phobia Like a fighter You know A lot about The fight stuff But Like I went to A UFC fight And It was a champion Who was 14 and 1 About a year ago You would know The names 14 and 1 And the only guy He lost to Was this one guy But the guy That he was fighting Was like Almost

Just an average fighter Lost numerous times But he beat this one guy So I said Okay

I really don't know Who you're talking about

I'm trying to I will figure it out Okay But about a year ago But the point is That he lost He wasn't nearly The fighter But The one who Was not nearly The fighter Had beaten He's the only guy That beat the champ Like 5 years before And I said I'll take the guy That won the other fight And that's what happened He beat him a second time Sometimes

Psychological advantage Yeah

What is this crazy thing

Lincoln had a I don't know I've never read this I heard it From People in the White House Who really understand What was going on With With the whole life Of the White House But Lincoln had The yips About In a way As the golfers would say He had A phobia About Robert E. Lee He said I can't beat Robert Because Robert E. Lee Won many battles In a row He was just Beating the hell out You know They tried to get Robert E. Lee To be on the North But he said No I have to be With my state You know The state

Was his whole thing And he went To the South And he was I've had generals Tell me We have some Great generals The real generals Not the ones You see on television The ones that Beat ISIS With me We defeated ISIS In record time It was supposed To take years And we did it In a matter of weeks These are great generals These are tough guys These are not woke guys But their favorite general In terms of genius Was Robert E. Lee In terms of strategy

You mean?

Strategy Strategically He took a war That should have been over In a few days And it was You know Years of hell A vicious war And So Here I am Standing there And Again I had never really Done this before You know I ran I ran A number of months Before I won I probably

I guess If you figure Max it out It would be A year Something like that So I had never run For office And I did well I mean I went into debates We had 18 people Including me And then Slowly but surely They started to disappear We had debates Good debates

Everyone's aware Of all this stuff But what I want to get to Is like What was the experience Once you got inside It was just What did you think It was going to be like In terms of like Your ability to govern Yeah Like this is your first experience Governing anything You've never been a Governor You've never been a mayor Private

Private stuff Business

Yeah But now all of a sudden You're inside the White House

The biggest thing Was just that first moment Of being in this Hallowed It was really a hallowed Place to me It was Surreal It was beyond To me That was the experience It was a surreal experience And then With time That wears off With time It becomes You know Your place Where you stay And I was Doing a lot of I was I had two things That I really focused on Governing the country And Survival Because from the moment I won

Before I got to office All of a sudden I mean They came down I mean Nobody has ever been Treated that way And And you see that I mean You see where in the Washington Post Very early on They said Well now the impeachment Stuff starts And it did I mean it literally Started from the beginning So I had survival And run the nation I had a combination Most people don't have The survival They get in

What did you expect Though in terms of Like once you got inside You had to appoint All these people How many appointments Did you have to make In a very short amount of time

Actually 10,000 appointments Now they're different You know you have big ones And then they appoint Right 100 people And 200 people But the president Really is involved With approximately 10,000 appointments So you'll appoint A secretary of state And he will He or she Will appoint A lot of people So it's a lot But in terms of Major ones You probably have Like a hundred But they're big ones

Treasury State Military And how did you know Who to appoint Well I didn't I had no experience

You have to understand

I was there 17 times In Washington And I never stayed over According to the press Which I think is probably right Over the years I was only there 17 times I never stayed over So now I'm Sitting there I'm saying This place is gorgeous But you know I don't know anybody It's like you You know you go to Certain areas And other areas They may be great Washington was great Washington's not so great Right now They're gonna We gotta fix it We gotta make it better A very dangerous place Very badly maintained place We're gonna make it great

We're gonna make it better We're gonna bring it back But I wasn't a Washington guy I was a New York guy I was a New York builder And I built buildings in New York And I knew that whole world But I didn't know The Washington world too well And all of a sudden You're supposed to be Appointing top people So

What did you think It was going to be like Versus like Did you have any ideas Of what it was gonna be like And what was different

Well I was always involved In politics But usually from the standpoint Of a donor I was a donor You know I was a big donor I gave money to politicians I enjoyed politics

Mostly Democrats right

Both really Pretty much both I had actually pictures Of Ronald Reagan And me when I was very young

Well you were a Democrat Until like what year

I was a Democrat

I could get you the exact But the early 90s The early 90s I switched over eventually I actually They had a reform party I was thinking about Doing that for a little while But then fortunately I didn't Because it's very hard You know it's a two party system And anytime you hear Third party I know you like RFK Jr.

And so do I He's a fantastic guy

I do but I thought That being an independent

Was nonsense It doesn't work It doesn't work Because even if you do great You're not going to get Congress In other words Right You need now to say Okay now I'll get half of Congress That's never going to vote for you So even if you got there Which is very hard And I know how you feel about Bobby And I feel the same way And he's now with us But it doesn't It's pure and simple It's a two party system Right And somebody I won't mention his name But somebody spent 250 million dollars Trying to get the nomination As a reform party candidate

Or whatever And they got just nowhere You get eaten You just get eaten The system eats you alive Right So it was really somebody That not only was new to Washington But was new to politics

So in the office of the presidency Over the years All those presidents You've had 92% were politicians And 8% were generals General Eisenhower General Washington Right General George Washington You had generals So it's 8% No admirals 8% generals And 92% politicians You know They're politicians And they go on So they never had a business guy Or they never had a guy That wasn't elected to an office

They were all Like Ronald Reagan Was really He was a movie actor But he became The governor of California For I think two terms And then he ran

So you'd never had a thing Like this But I You know In terms of me And sometimes I'd use it as an excuse And I don't like Having excuses Actually But I'd use it As an excuse I had to rely To rely on people

And I'd have Three or four people Recommend One thing I can tell you Everybody wants The position Of course No no But sometimes I'll hear A lot of people Don't want to work With Trump Because Trump Is tough to work With etc Let me tell you Everybody wants To be Any one of these Positions They'd die for it Of course Now they don't want To be known I mean There's a particular Guy

In New York Primarily Very big Very big Very successful Very

Very strong Very political Although he's not A politician He'd give anything To be Secretary of State But if They ask him No I don't think I would do it But in the meantime

Begging for it Okay Begging They all

I believe you

Everybody Look everybody Wants it

By the way

No matter what you do But it's very dangerous To pick somebody Outside of a politician Because a politician Has been basically Vetted for years Right You pick a business guy And they've never Been vetted at all And they're You know The head of a big company Or something But they've never Been vetted You know nothing About his personal life You know nothing About where he's been When you put him in It's a little bit dangerous Because all of a sudden They get checked up And you hear things That you're saying Wow this is not Not going to work out Too well So it's very dangerous Picking people

That are outside Of politics Is somewhat dangerous

So you're kind of Stuck in a position Where you have to Pick established people And then the problem With established people Is established people Are already Indoctrinated into the system

And they're stiffs In many cases They're stiffs They're survivors I find that You know What do you mean by stiffs When you say stiffs Stiff they don't They don't have Nothing They have nothing Or They're smart And survivor One little thing So there was a congressman Years before I ran And I was very close to him And I needed a license On something And he was very important In getting the license But it was a little bit Controversial The license This particular thing That was being licensed But I was close to this guy

And helped him And everything else And I went to him I said I'd like to have you help And he said Let me take a look at it I said Oh that's not too good But I really hope You're going to help Anyway He tapped me along For a long period of time And ultimately Didn't do it And I said You are a stiff You could have done This thing so easy Et cetera But it was controversial He was in congress For many years Like 28 years And you know There's a reason When somebody's there For 28 years You've got to be Sort of smart Right

You know You have all the scandals

And I realized He was a survivor

And so they never Do anything controversial They never take any chances Or speak their opinion It's outside of the Yeah

And yet I don't disrespect him For it I actually respected The guy more In a certain way I said

Because he did survive

You know what He's been there Like for 28 years And he made it through A lot of people Don't make it through

It's a good way For non-exceptional people To survive

Well it is

It certainly is So you're in there You have 10,000 appointments You have to make So you're getting Advice from people And at one point Did you have a moment In time Where you realized Like these are bad choices Like some of these people I shouldn't have had in there

Oh yeah I think So the one question That you'll ask me That I think you'll ask me That people seem to ask And I always come up With the same answer

The one mistake Because I had a lot of success Great economy Great everything Everything was great The military We rebuilt it Biggest tax cuts In history All this stuff We had a great presidency Three Supreme Court justices Most people get none You know You pick them young This way they're there For 50 years Right So You know Even if a president Is there for 8 years Often times They never have a chance I had three It was sort of The luck of the draw But I will say That it always comes back

To the same answer The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people I picked some great people You know But you don't think about that I picked some people That I shouldn't have picked I picked a few people That I shouldn't have picked And Neocons Yeah neocons Or bad people Or disloyal people Or

People that were just People that weren't Because you got bad advice

Yeah I mean look I mean you're reading about them A little bit today A guy like Kelly Who was a bully A bully But a weak person You know You know more about bullies Than anybody probably around Because you deal in a Certain sport Where the bullies are exposed Very quickly Yeah But you know

He's bad Bolton was an idiot But he was great for me Because I'd go in with A guy like a John Bolton You know John Bolton A friend of mine called Called me up I was picking Bolton And he's a very smart guy His name is Phil Ruffin He's a very rich guy From Las Vegas One of the He's a great card player He doesn't play cards But he's a great card You know He's just a natural Got poker sense right You know The good old poker sense And Phil Ruffin Is Is A very Very wise Kind of a guy And very

One of the richest people Around And has Had great success And understands people So It was in that I was picking Bolton Or I picked Bolton He called up He said Don't pick him Why He's a bad guy Now he wasn't In politics at all He's in Various businesses He said He's a bad guy He's just It always works out Bad with that guy And I said Oh man I wish you told me This two weeks ago I already hired him He's here

And he was right But he was good In a certain way He's a nut job And every time I had to deal With a country When they saw This whack job Standing behind me They said Oh man Trump's gonna go To war with us He was with Bush When they went stupidly Into the Middle East They should have Never done it I used to say It as a civilian So I always got More publicity Than other people And I didn't It wasn't like I was trying In fact I don't know

Exactly why Maybe you can Tell me

Oh I can definitely Tell you

You said a lot Of wild shit Maybe

He said a lot Of wild shit And then CNN In all their brilliance By highlighting Your wild shit Made you much more popular And they boost you In the polls Because people were Tired of someone Talking in This bullshit Pre-prepared Politician lingo And even if They didn't agree With you They at least knew Whoever that guy is That's him That's really him When you see Certain people talk Certain people In the public eye You don't know Who they are You have no idea Who they are It's very difficult

To know And you see them In conversations They have these Pre-planned answers They say everything It's very rehearsed You never get To the meat of it One of the beautiful Things about you Is that you free ball Like you get out And you do these Huge events And you're just talking And you're making We've highlighted you On the show Many times When you did this Biden impression Where he's walking around He doesn't know What he's doing

It's funny It's stand up It's funny stuff

But it's like You And you were making fun Of Elon one time You were doing An Elon impression It's great You have like Comedic instincts Like when you said To Hillary You'd be in jail Like that's Great timing But it's like That kind of stuff Was unheard of As a politician Like no one Had done that And I think

You know it's funny

You need

At least the attitude Of a comedian When you're doing This business This is a very Dangerous business First of all It's a very tough Business When It's the most Dangerous business Well for a job Yes

I mean other than Going to war And being a firefighter Or being a cop Yeah It's the most dangerous It's the most dangerous

Being president Is the most dangerous

Especially you I mean You haven't even Got to the election There's been two Assassination attempts And they've Brushed those out Of the news Like it was nothing Yeah they'd rather Not talk about them Imagine if there was Assassination attempts On Biden How hard people Would be attacking The right How they would be Trying to get guns Taken away from people They would try to Ramp up gun laws They would try to Figure out some way To blame you If there was a tax On Biden If Biden got shot In the ear We would have Never heard the end of it

But I think he's In good shape Because it's only Consequential presidents If you take a look At what's happened Look I'm for having Countries pay us Billions and billions And trillions Even dollars I took in hundreds Of billions of dollars From China Nobody took in 10 cents Not one other president I do things That make it I mean That don't necessarily Make me so popular I just do what's right And when you do that You know You're more Look at Look at Iran We would have Never had the attack On Israel at all Iran was broke

I told China If you buy You can't do business In the United States Under any I was gonna We're gonna go Cold turkey with China Some people think That would have been A good idea anyway But if you buy Any oil One barrel of oil From them You're not doing business I said that to many countries Iran was broke They had no money For Hezbollah They had no money For Hamas They had no money But I make myself You know I mean I understand What I'm doing You make yourself A target And it's a very Dangerous business

But if you just Look at statistically So I said I sort of think I don't know If it's right But one tenth Of one percent For a race car drive Yeah It's a pretty Dangerous business Right

Yeah

One tenth Of one percent For a bull rider I tell you To me You're talking death These guys That ride the bulls Is worse than UFC It's worse Yeah These guys You see these Big monster bulls And you see it In slow motion Where the foot Is like

You know

An inch away From the head If it hits him The guy's gone But they die You know they die So one tenth Of one percent Die Yeah One tenth Of one percent Die Right And they certainly Get hurt badly Really I mean they can't Walk after a certain Period of time But with a president If you look at The amount of

Assassination

And attempts Too And attempts No it's a very Dangerous position I never thought of that By the way When I did it You know you don't You don't tend to Do you just assume

Because people loved you On The Apprentice They were going to love you As a president

Well I figured it would be So easy You know it's very interesting

Well it probably would have been If the media Didn't attack you The way they did If they didn't conflate You with Hitler I mean even today Like Kamala was talking About you and Hitler They're going to take What you said About Robert E. Lee Oh Donald Trump Wishes the South one That's right He loves Robert E. Lee They love to take things Out of context And distort things

But they don't even Have to take them They make them up Entirely They do that too But you know It's interesting When you mentioned I was very popular And all those people Loved me I mean this

Some of these These women They're so They're so stupid

And Joy She would Every time she'd see me Like I'd be in The theater Or something And she'd You have to be On the show again Come on come on Let's go She loved you She loved me That episode

People should watch That episode Just to see What we're talking about Like I said We don't want to get A copyright strike So we're not going To put it up But if you watch The episode It's bananas It's like an Alternative universe And it's only Nine years ago Whoopi loved me

Loved you Gives you a hug And a kiss And how about That other one The new one On there The one from My administration She writes me a letter You're the greatest president She leaves You know she worked As like an assistant Press secretary I hardly knew her But she leaves And she writes me This gorgeous letter What's her name She was I don't even know You know Anyway She was in the administration She's on there Currently Sits in the far right Hand side Whatever the hell Her name is And she writes a letter The most beautiful letter She's quoted in the paper

He's a consequential He was the greatest president Bah bah bah Then all of a sudden She goes in the view And she's not Hitting the hell out of me Because they won't hire Unless I've had many people Go on CNN And they call And said I don't know what to do They want to pay me a lot But I have to be negative And you I said be negative That's okay There are guys on Like CNN They won't hire them Sean Duffy Is a congressman And he retired He got a good job With CNN But he was only positive About Trump So they kept him But they would never

Put him on I mean I respect What he did He could have gone You know negative I tell people Go negative Let my friends make the money It's so crooked The press is so crooked

It's crooked But it's also They're diminishing themselves They're hurting themselves They're killing all their credibility And it's opening up The credibility To new media It's opening up The credibility To independent media

The worst I've ever seen though And I've seen the worst I mean I've been a part of it I've been I've seen the worst Kamala goes on 60 minutes Gave an answer That a child wouldn't give It was so bad And 60 minutes Took the answer out They took the whole And they put another answer in

They edited it Deceptively

Which didn't make sense either But it was better They took the Well it wasn't editing It was fraud Yeah This was not editing You know editing is where I'll give an answer And they'll take a couple of words And change them around Or they might even take a sentence Or two off Which is very bad But that's It's sort of bad You know I'd give an answer Which was a very good answer I always talk about You know I like to give long the weave You know I like to give

Yeah You like to weave things in Yeah

But when you do the weaves And you have to be very smart To do weaves When you do the weave Look at this Just in this one thing We're talking about Little pieces But it always ends up No no It comes back home Yeah For the right people For the wrong people It doesn't come back home And they end up in the wilderness Right But But They can take My answer And you know what They may take a little piece of it out Or something And they use the term Yes we want to save time Well It's not But I've never heard I think it's the biggest scandal In broadcast history What happened to CBS

So you have CBS 60 Minutes That's a news program It's not an entertainment program It's under their news It's the head of their news thing She gives an answer That was That shows that she's Essentially incompetent And they took the answer Could you imagine them Doing that for me

You can show it If you want people to see it Can we show it No Sure We get in trouble We'll get copyright strike Okay I'll indemnify I'll indemnify you But it's It's drastic But what was Interesting Was the other Full version Was available initially It was like a preview

Somebody made a big mistake

Somebody put that preview out there Some kid put the preview out Exactly

And then the bosses Did this or that Exactly

And then all of a sudden

They said we got a problem

Exactly

And then They got caught by mistake Well But don't you think That's a big To me And don't forget This is election interference And fraud And it's 60 minutes It's their news division So It's a big deal They give those licenses out Joe For free They should pay a fortune They're worth a fortune They give them out For free Because they're using The public airwaves With cable You don't have that Cable's different But you know It's just a different deal But with the networks

They give those licenses They're worth Billions of dollars They give them out free But you have to be honest And all That was bad I think that David Muir And that woman That was a side I never even heard of her But they kept interrupting me It was like I said how many people Am I debating here I got this one And I got you two But he went after me Eleven different times You know it's interesting I always thought He was a nice guy But he's just like The rest of them You know

Well that's his job Unfortunately And I'm sure No but not when they're wrong You're right Well the problem was They fact checked you And they didn't fact check her Not at all And one of the most egregious Examples of that Was when she said That there is There are no troops Right now deployed In war zones Yeah There's a very famous Viral video that went online Of troops in a war zone Saying well what the fuck Are we then Because there's thousands of them Dan Crenshaw The congressman Posted on his Instagram All of the various

Examples of Too many Troops that are deployed Thousands and thousands Of troops that are Currently deployed Stupidly deployed But the point is If this is going to be An actual real debate And not a propaganda exercise If it's going to be A real debate You have to fact check everybody Like if someone says Maybe she thought There was no Which is also a problem So it's one of two things It's either It was not true It was a lie on purpose Which is terrible Or it was the opposite It was ignorance Which is also terrible

Well Joe when I said Crime is soaring He said no no Crime has gone down I said where did you Hear that one Crime has gone down I mean I'm debating With this guy But I've had that

Well there was amended FBI statistics That came out after that That showed that crime Had gone up substantially

And by the way The statistics were a fraud Because when they put out The statistics They didn't include Some of the worst places They didn't include Some of the worst cities Some of the most deadly places But when the real numbers

Came out

I turned out to be right But I haven't gotten

You turned out to be right But then there's another problem Unreported crime Is way up Because people have lost Look the morale That the police department Has in a lot of these cities Where they've done This defund the police bullshit Right These The morale of these poor cops It's fucking horrible Yeah It's the dumbest idea

Of all time So bad

But what they've done Is they've They've made these cops Feel terrible Like good cops I think cops are just like Everybody else Most of them are great It's like everybody else But if you run into one carpenter And he does a shitty job In your house You say Carpenters fucking suck But they don't suck Most of them are great And that's the key thing With cops But the point is like They did all of these things In this very foolish way Right And these cops Are suffering the consequences of it And so subsequently What happens is A lot of crime is unreported

A lot of crime Like you call the cops They're too busy They can't even get to you Or your house got broken into Sorry You know It doesn't even make a report There's a lot of people That they just give up

It's so sad what's happened And I'll tell you what I go to police funerals And we went to one in Long Island I visited the family in Long Island A very big deal It's so dangerous People don't realize The car Dark windows Pull over He's a gentleman Please pull over Door opens Guy comes out firing Even if they were allowed To pull out their gun Which they're not They can't Do it in time They still wouldn't have time It's every cop's first nightmare

They open a door And he was killed And his partner was hurt He was killed And you don't have I mean You don't even have An eighth of a second To think And it is such a dangerous job That in particular Think of it You go up to a car You don't know Who's sitting there with a gun And if they have a gun You really don't have a chance You're not allowed To have your gun out By the way They have very strict rules So number one But even if you could Have your gun out The door opens And bullets start firing out You know And especially

Where they have The dark windows Where they have The darkened windows It is such a dangerous Profession And it's very hard To get cops now Because they're not Given any backup And you're right You know They have like An eighth of a second To make a decision That's going to Change their life If they make The wrong decision They're going to end up On the front page Of every newspaper In the country And they're going to Lose their house And their pension And their job And their wife Is going to be gone And everything's

Going to be gone And here's another thing That people don't talk about How many of them Have PTSD Probably most of them These guys are seeing People shot all the time You know I've talked to a ton Of cops about it And you know A lot of cops Commit suicide A lot of cops Are deeply depressed A lot of cops But we have to Give them back

Their dignity We have to We can't We just have to Give them back You said it so good You never hear Anybody say that You're never going To have it perfect You're going to Have a bad apple In everything In every profession But every time There's a bad apple That gets massive publicity And it taints everybody

But it's also This very irresponsible Thing where people say Defund the police Get rid of the police You know Even Kamala Harris Was a part of that It's a very stupid Way to look at it What you should do Is fund the police You should have Better training You should have Cops that feel More appreciated You should have Something that helps Mitigate this PTSD That all of them Suffered through

She was a big part Of defund the police That was a big thing For her Defund the police Always defund the police

It's a political idea But anybody

With that political thought I don't think Should be running For president And I think people Are getting wise to it You know We're doing pretty well Now I don't know Maybe in a week from now I'll say Sorry about that I was wrong But we're leading everything And I think we're going To have a very good election But I tell people Because people are Starting to get to know her But she was Defund the police She was All these transgender Operations You know If you wanted a sex change And you were in detention And you demanded a sex change

They would give you A sex change Well the wildest one Is this idea Of giving free sex change To illegal immigrants That's right In detention That is the wildest thing Is that the biggest problem You have You just walked here From Guatemala You need to become a girl

But she was in favor of it Yes So think of it She was Now she changed She changed 15 policies In fact I'm going to send her A MAGA cap

She stole your idea About no tax for tips

I came up with this idea That honestly Nobody ever heard of And now It took her two months But you know what All of a sudden

Well it caught fire

And she just put it Into a little speech Yeah

Well But I think we have

I think we still have that issue I think that issue Is a good one for us But no we have A lot of good issues You know we had The other day Think of how simple Some of these things are We're trying to get cars Built in the United States Detroit has been really tough It's been a disaster They have a huge factory A huge car auto plant Being built by China In Mexico Make cars Sell them in the United States Put everybody out of business Right here we go again I said if that plant is there When I'm president I will put 100 or 200 percent Tariffs on every car They'll be unsalable

In the United States And they just announced They're not going to build The plant Because they think I'm going to win Think of it They're not going to Build the plant This was the biggest Plant in the world It would have More than all of Michigan makes That's how big You know this is What we're getting to And I said If that plan goes up I want them to understand If I win I'm going to tax Those cars At the rate of 100 or 200 percent A piece So that you won't Be able to sell them In the United States They just announced They're not going to Build the plant

Yeah I read that

I did a big favor For our country By doing that And I'm not even there yet To me the most beautiful word And I've said this For the last couple of weeks In the dictionary today And any Is the word Tariff It's more beautiful Than love It's more beautiful Than anything It's the most beautiful word This country can become rich With the use The proper use Of tariffs It'll keep

Did you just float out The idea of Getting rid of Income taxes And replacing it With tariffs

Well okay Are we serious about that Yeah sure But why not Because we Ready Our country Was the richest In the Relatively In the 1880s And 1890s A president Who was assassinated Named McKinley He was the tariff king He spoke beautifully Of tariffs His language Was really beautiful We will not allow The enemy To come in And take our jobs And take our factories And take our workers And take our families Unless they pay

A big price And the big price Is tariffs And he'd speak Like that But he was right And then around In the early 1900s They switched over Stupidly To frankly An income tax And you know why Because countries Were putting a lot Of pressure on America We don't want To pay tariffs Please don't You know Believe me They control Our politicians If you look At the kind of Numbers That these guys Make Then and now But we had A commission Meeting In the

I think it was 1887 Think of this problem We were so rich We had so Much money We didn't know What to do So they set up A blue ribbon Commission on tariffs And the sole purpose Is what to do With all the money We had We were so rich Because we were Taxing other people For coming in And taking our jobs And China does it That's what China did If you want to Open a factory And sell cars If you build a factory

Or have a factory They don't take our cars They wouldn't take our cars But if you build A plant in China You can do that Elon did that By the way Elon is great That guy Is such a great guy I think you're a fan Of Elon He is from a different planet He's the greatest guy That rocket coming in Yeah

I told the story Once or twice So you may have heard it Because his speeches Have been good Did you see the one last night?

Yeah

29,000 people That was Yeah And the one The night before Was the same thing We are We are rocking and rolling But But Elon And I'm talking to This very important guy I say wait a minute I'm looking at something The television's unmuted Right And I see this rocket It's all brown From the heat You know It's like 10,000 degrees Pouring down At thousands of miles an hour And I see this thing You know It's like a 20 story building And it catches And I say to this guy It's an important guy Wait a minute

Let me just put you down Hold it I gotta see this And I see this And it's gonna crash I say it's gonna crash Into the gantry They call it a gantry I said oh man That's gotta be a disaster Because it's starting To get very close And then all of a sudden You see the flames And about a And it boom And then you see The two arms grab it Crazy And I forgot the guy I had him on the phone I forgot No I said The hell with it No I called Elon I said was that you He said that was me And I said who else Can do that He said nobody Russia can't do it The United States

Nobody can do it You know I set up Space Force That was me And that's the first time In 82 years That we opened another branch Since the Air Force And that's gonna be One of our most important things But think of what Elon does And he did one other thing That I never heard of it It's Starlink I went down to North Carolina Georgia The different places Right there I followed it right down And they had no communication The polls were all knocked down Every And one of the guys In North Carolina said

Could you Do me a favor Do you know Elon Musk Yes He endorsed me By the way He gave me the nicest endorsement To the tough He said The country's gonna fail You should do the same thing Joe Because you cannot be voting For Kamala Kamala You're not a Kamala person I know you I've watched you I know him better than he is You know what Without speaking to you I think I know you Maybe almost as well as your wife I have watched you For so many years You're not a Kamala person You're a Khabib person But you're not a Kamala person

Nobody's gonna know Who Khabib is But Oh they know who Khabib is He was not He was not bad right Oh he was phenomenal But that's your kind of person

Your weave is getting wide We're getting wide with this weave I want to bring it back to tariffs

But wait One second Before we finish with tariffs So they said They said Could you get him We need Starlink And I call Elon He got it for him so fast Saved so many lives And I said How was it They said Better than the wires You know They couldn't put them in They were all They were all gone So getting back to there

We did it recently In Utah In the mountains Did you find it good Oh it's phenomenal It's the size of a Like an iPad And you just set it down On the ground You get high speed internet It's incredible

We're spending Just to show you We're spending A trillion dollars To get cables All over the country Right

Upstate areas Where you have Like two farms And they're spending Millions of dollars To have a

Well talk about The 42 billion dollars That was wasted On this internet Access program They didn't get anybody

Access to internet They haven't hooked up One person yet Not one person

They spent 42 billion dollars They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody With that kind of money

For almost nothing Yeah For a monthly charge

And it would have been incredible And it's high speed internet Everywhere you want to go

And he wanted to do that And he wanted to do it How about this They built the charger stations Right In the Midwest They built eight of them They cost nine billion dollars That's like a gas pump Right They built nine gas pumps Except electricity comes out They spent nine billion dollars Three of them don't work The whole thing There's so much waste I could sit here And tell you about things That there's so much waste Abuse and fraud

Oh there's yeah I'm sure I mean I think Everybody's aware of that Let's get back to tariffs When you're talking about One of the criticisms Of your administration Was with tax cuts And with tariffs You increased the deficit

So was the strat What was the strategy Behind that And did you think It was going to increase The deficit By a substantial amount

Okay We were ready to rock It was all You know I had a bad system We had horrible tax policy I made it great

With a much lower tax rate So I took it from Almost 40% Down to 21% Now I'm bringing it From 21 down to 15 But only if you make Your product In the United States Which is great People call me They said What a great idea Nobody ever heard Of that before I don't care If they make the product In Japan Why should I give up So it's at 21 That At 21 In the first year We took in much more revenue Than we did at almost 40% Think of that It inspired

Now we had other things too We were able to get people To bring back their money You couldn't You couldn't bring back your money If you had money in Europe Like Apple Apple had many billions of dollars Outside They couldn't bring it There was no way To bring it back in The bureaucracy The documents The whole thing And also the tax was too high You know They wanted like half of it Or something Nobody's going to do that So they leave their money In Japan And they spend their money there That was part of what I did The money came pouring back in

Apple took in Hundreds of billions of dollars They brought it back From overseas They brought it in

So how does the deficit Increase because of that

So what happened is this We were ready to rock And roll And then we had the COVID thing And we had to focus on that And if we didn't give Some businesses a hand They would have all You would have had a depression Like in 1929 But we were ready to start We were going to We would have very shortly Been paying off debt You know we have 35 trillion dollars in debt And I'll never forget it We were It was Talking about From you know The standpoint of being in office I'm in the Oval Office

And I have John McLaughlin And Fabrizio They're two Very good pollsters Probably I don't know I would say the two best Who knows But very good pollsters And we're starting to Think about running For a second term

And we had the greatest economy In history Never has there been An economy like this

And you attribute that To lowering taxes And tariffs

Two things And also I cut regulations More than anybody else

And if I ask many of the businessmen You know from the big companies You know the guys running The big companies I'd say So if you had your choice You've had it now For a long time What's more important to you The tax cuts You paid less tax Or the regulation cuts Every one of them Said the regulation cuts Meant more Who would think that Right Because you don't Equate it to dollars But it actually Is more dollars

We had it going And then we just Had to focus On something else But they were sitting These two pollsters Were sitting there And they said Sir If George Washington Came back And Abraham Lincoln Was his VP As opposed to Waltz How bad is he By the way But if Abraham Lincoln Was his VP They couldn't beat you You have And I'll never forget it The following day They said Something's happening In China sir

Could we meet I said What's happening People are dying And it was all Around the Wuhan lab By the way There are pictures With little lines Their body bags All around The Wuhan lab And I always said that From the beginning Joe They tried to say First they said It was France And they blamed everybody But then they say It was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away So we got hit with that And despite that We had the best economy

And when I gave it over The stock market Was higher than it was Pre-COVID I mean nobody Could even believe it But we saved it And we were helping businesses They were dying You know they were dying

So it's your belief That if you had A second term Given the policies In place The way the economy Was booming That you would have Been able to pay off A lot of the debt And that was the strategy If we didn't have COVID

We would have been Paying off debt And we would have had And don't forget By growth The word growth Is actually more important In a way Because you could have The same debt But if you doubled Your growth All of a sudden You're under levered But still We should pay off debt You know if you viewed This 35 trillion dollars Right now It's a lot But if you look At the asset value If you looked at it Purely as an asset value We have oil underground We have water We have mountains We have I mean the assets

Are so enormous But regardless of that We've got 35 trillion In debt We should pay it off And we would have Started paying off debt And probably even Giving further Given further Tax reductions I want to get it down To 15% We're going to do More business But when you get hit With a COVID Everything stops And you have to keep These businesses alive The businesses were dying I mean they were just dying This whole place This country was going to die

Are there influences Outside of environmental That keep people From wanting to drill For oil and frack And do those sort of things Outside of the environmental Concerns Which are legitimate Of course But are there Other influences That may be Over accentuate Or over exaggerate These environmental effects Are people being Influenced in a way Where they're trying To keep us From producing American oil

Yeah

So the environmental Is the biggest tool For stopping growth The biggest tool The other is regulation And if you speak To Elon He said the regulation Now to send a rocket Up to anywhere Even if you do Everything It's almost It's becoming impossible But they use environmental In order to get people Not to do anything And sometimes I say You know I look at Some of the I know the environmental Stuff better Because I had to build

Buildings in New York I had to build I had to do Environmental impact studies And I would see Some of these guys That I'd hire For a lot of money Environmentalists That would get you Through the process And they'd be up In Albany That's the capital Of New York And they're up there Trying to make it tougher For guys like me That were builders Because they'd get Paid more money In other words I had one guy

Highly recommended You know I was good At getting permits I was one of the kings I was always very good But the environmental stuff Was always horrible They could slow a project down 10 years 15 years I had a project In Louisiana Built big LNG Plant It was For 14 years It was going to cost 18 million 18 billion dollars One of the biggest Like the Empire State Building Laying down on the side Times four Massive On the coast On the gulf coast And they said

Sir they're going to Give it up I said They shouldn't give it up What's the problem They can't get Their environmental They had environmental Permits that would fill This whole room Up to the ceiling And they said There was one mistake On one little line They wanted to do it All over again Is it not going to happen And I got them Their permit

Instantly And they built the plant It's massive

So when you're saying That So there's There's people That are making money By making it difficult Yeah Are you talking about Lawyers No I'm talking about

Environmental consultants And lawyers

Environmental consultants Profit off of dragging Out the process Absolutely And how do they profit

And I'd probably do The same thing If I were them To be honest with you As a businessman I want to be honest with you

How do they do that How do they make it

Let's say New York They go to Albany Okay And they convince people That if you have A certain type of plant On the ground That's this big And in theory Valueless That it's a rare plant And you cannot Even touch it You can't go near it You can't put a building On it You can't do anything Or there's a little puddle And they call it a lake And you have to go By the standards of a lake I said no no That's a puddle Oh you have no idea Guys are filling A little puddles You have no idea

What they do And they use it As a way to stop you

They use it as a way To stop you And also as a way To generate money I'm curious How are they generating Money that way though Well they get fees They get fees Massive fees And you pay these guys People rely on them As experts Because they're the people That they go to When they have to Run these studies In the first place

But some of them Are just bad guys And they're trying to make it More and more difficult

And they have a lot of power

Yeah I think they maybe Had more They didn't have as much With me Because I would Get through them And I understood it Look I've had I've done so many They call it Environmental impact study I did so much To build a building To build a building In New York Is very tough You gotta be very You gotta deal with Think of it Financing Unions

All the municipal stuff Environmental Of all of it To me the toughest thing Was the environmental Because they could Stop you cold With the environmental Impact study stuff And you hire A so-called expert They say Sir he's the one guy He can get you Through the morass It's a morass It's horrible They use it as a weapon They use it all over The country

Right but there are Legitimate concerns About environmental impact Correct There are Like look about The BP oil spill There's a lot of things That do happen That are environmentally Devastating And you want to Mitigate that as much As possible

Look I had During our four years We had the cleanest air And the cleanest water I view it differently I say air And water Remember this It costs much more To do things

Environmentally clean China doesn't do anything Right When Kerry goes to see President Xi at China Which he probably Doesn't even get to see him But they look at him Oh yes yes We will do Oh yes yes We're going to do that No more coal No more coal And then they approve 58 coal plants For the next You know every They build a coal plant A week Okay

They build a lot Of coal plants But let me just tell you

So here we are Cleaning and scrubbing Everything and everything And the air's got to be pure But in 3.8 days

That stuff floating over China Is right over the top of us

Right

Same thing with the oceans They dump their garbage Into the Pacific Ocean If you take a little cork And put it there In about a week and a half It'll be in front of Los Angeles

We're picking up their garbage So nobody ever talks about that But in a way The bigger one is even The air It's the currents It's an amazing thing It's been flowing that way For a million years Or long before Long before we were there

We share air with the whole world Yeah No

If we're cleaning

We get the Sahara dust clouds Over here Absolutely We get dust clouds in Austin From the Sahara desert

But we get the China You know They call it the China curse We get the China curse They're bad And their air is dirty You know when I went there I had a great relationship With President Xi We got along very well And they treated me better Than anybody Has ever been treated Same thing with Saudi Arabia A number of them But they laid it out And I said This air is good Do you know They closed every factory One week before I got there From within 200 miles

That's like what Gavin Newsom did When Xi Jinping Came to San Francisco He cleaned it up He cleaned it up He got rid of all The homeless people Isn't that terrible

In a way To think you know He cleaned it up And then it became A pig sigh Well the dumbest thing

Is he said When your friends come by When you have visitors You clean up your house Like how about Just keep your fucking house clean Can you imagine That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard anybody say Ever As a governor As to excuse To why you finally Cleaned up your homeless problem

And the day he left

Right back to it

It went right back Yeah But in a way That was a bad thing That he did Because he showed What a disgrace that was What a disgrace

Well this is the thing That like shows you How foolish A lot of these people That are running these cities Think A lot of these people That are running these states Think It's foolish Like you You're insulting The intelligence Of the people That live in that city That are impacted By these people Just camping And needles And human feces There's an app That you can buy There's an app That you can get Rather That will show you Where the human feces Has been documented In San Francisco It's a poo app And it's just everywhere It's just bum crap

Everywhere

But let me give you one That you may not know Okay Which I think You know everything Actually That's not true As a student of yours But water You know in Los Angeles You can't get proper Amounts of water Right And it's unbelievably expensive And you might have a house In Beverly Hills And they're actually thinking About rationing water Can you believe it

I can believe it

I was in the farm court country With some of the congressmen We're driving up a highway And I say How come all this land Is so barren It's farmland And it looked terrible It was just brown And bad I said But there's always That little corner That's so green And beautiful They said We have no water I said Do you have a drought No we don't have a drought I said Why don't you have no water Because the water Isn't allowed to flow down It's got a natural flow

From Canada All the way up north More water Than they could ever use And in order to protect A tiny little fish The water up north Gets routed Into the Pacific Ocean Millions and millions Of gallons of water Gets poured You got to see this We're driving up And I had never seen it before It's the most It's like Iowa It's the most fertile land I was blessed With great land Idaho for a potato Right But these They're just By the way You know

Some land is good For a potato Some land is good For corn It's the craziest thing I love the farmers They're great They're the greatest And by the way They're getting killed Right now They are They're getting killed Because of the stupid Administration But so I see this And I said You got to be kidding I said You mean you have water And I looked at it It's like a valve In your sink Except it's massive The thing's five times Taller than your ceiling

Did you know the center Of California Was a giant lake They have so much water You ever see what it Looks like Before they rerouted it No I never saw that The center of California Like what is it 200 years ago How long ago Did they do that Jamie The center of California Had a fucking enormous lake In the middle of California So they dumped it Into the Pacific Who knows what they did But whatever foolishness That they did Led to the situation That they're in now

Think of those dry forests That burned down You know the head Of Austria said

Taller Lake Or Tachi Lake It's a freshwater lake In the southern San Joaquin Valley United States Historically Taller Lake Was one of the largest Freshwater lakes West of Mississippi Show a photo Of what it looked like Back then

It's a great system So that's what it looked like Look at that image Go to the one On the third From the right Yeah That was an enormous lake In the middle of California Imagine that

That would be Much more valuable property

How crazy is that But how crazy is that That's what it used to look like And human beings Screwed that up

No they let it go Into the Pacific And then they

I don't know what they did What did they do That why did How did it go missing It said they drained it In 83

Yeah They drained it

19

1983 Oh my god It went dry A handful of times Oh it went dry A handful of times Well you know Lakes do go dry But that's a big one But think of it It's a big one to go dry

You could have All of the water you need All of that land Would have more water The whole thing Could be like that Little patch Literally I'd say I was with Devin Noon As a congressman And other congressmen We were going up I was visiting that Because they asked me To go up and visit Their territory And I did But I kept saying Look at this land It's beautiful But it's so dry And I thought They were going through Like a desert Like a drought They said no We have water But it gets So I looked into it What is the fish And I got it done I got it done I could have water

For all of that land Water for your forests You know your forests Are dry as a bone Yeah Okay Dangerous That water could be routed You know you could have Everything Not only dangerous Billions of dollars a year They spend on forest fires And you know There's a case With the environment They're not allowed To rake their forests Because you're not allowed To touch it When a tree falls down After 18 months It becomes very dry It's like you know Like real firewood It's bad You know a tree That's up These are all things I learned

The hard way The easy way But when a tree is up It sucks water It's wet I went to that They had a couple Of horrible forest fires In California And I went I said you know You got a lot of trees Standing yesterday There were healthy trees There I said with this Intense heat You could see They were charred A little bit on the bottom But they were going To be alright Because they're soaking wet Because they suck up The water right But when they fall They're like You know It's like lighting a match Yeah And you got to be able To clean They call maintain your forest So I was with the head Of Austria

He said you know It's a shame I see all those forest fires In California And all they have to do Is clean their forest Meaning rake it up Get rid of the leaves Get rid of you know Leaves that are sitting there For five years And they'll certainly

Get rid of the dead fall

And get rid of the trees That have fallen Yeah You know Or like

So many things This country By the way

Could you rake the whole forest though I don't think you could Rake the whole forest I think you could get rid Of the dead fall But raking all the leaves

You could certainly Get rid of the dead Okay Yeah I think that's the real issue

You know environmentally

They don't want to do that They don't They said you know It's got to be nature And all this stuff But in the meantime This is exactly But you could have So it was the Department of Commerce That needed the approvals But Gavin Newsom Had to sign them I got it all done Nobody could believe it It was all done I said I got it You got so much water All you have to do is sign And that guy didn't want to sign

Did he not want to sign Because that would be A political victory for you?

I think no He didn't No I don't think so You know he used to say He's a great president And we got along We did We actually got along At that point But I think somebody said You just can't continue To call him a great president You know they do say that But we had it all done He didn't sign And then we got on To other things And every time I go to California I said you have so much water They don't know it I'm telling you People living in Beverly Hills They turn off the water Same thing with the electric They want to go to

All electric cars But they have brownouts Every weekend You know

Well right after They made the announcement That as of 2035 You're not going to be able To buy an internal combustion Engine in California Like within a month They had some announcement Asking people To not charge their Teslas

Because the grid Couldn't handle it Well how are you going to handle

I will terminate The mandate immediately Just a mandate

Good thank you

That will be done I would say in my first day Maybe two days Because you know

Let me ask you about nuclear One of the things That when I've talked to people That have a real understanding Of nuclear power What their position is It's probably the cleanest Safest form of electricity That we could generate And that the fears Of nuclear power Are really about A few disasters The Fukushima Three Mile Island

That these These are old systems And that they could They're much more capable now And they're capable Of making even better systems But it's a difficult Political issue Because you think Nuclear power You think Chernobyl That's what everybody does They have this connection They have the potential Or Fukushima Or Fukushima

Which is where you're not Supposed to enter the land For 3,000 years

Or something It's crazy I think it's worse than that I think that area Is like Going to be radioactive For probably longer Than you could imagine But the point is They're better at it now Right And that they could do it now And you can generate power In a way that You don't have to worry About these One of the most Ridiculous things Is electric cars Being powered by Coal-fired plants It's a ridiculous thing

It's what's happening

Yeah It is what's happening And people want to think They're being green You know But it's

Well if you look at The way the battery is made But here's the other thing We don't have Well we do actually It's being held You know we have Certain areas where We have great raw earth Material And we're not allowed To use it because Of the environment And we have areas In California That have incredible Raw earth And they're not allowing And I'm going to Open it up I'm going to let them Use it But how do you do that

China How do you do that And protect the environment

Because the environment Is going to be protected You can do it You can make a lake Out of it Okay we'll put back a lake I mean Something nice about lakes You can do things Magnificently You just have to do it

Carefully and responsibly

Absolutely You have to do it Carefully But the problem You know China has All of those areas Most of those areas And yet When they say Go electric With the cars China is going to be The one that gives us The cars All of those guys In Detroit Are going to be Out of business You're going to make Your electric cars Over there We have a thing Called gasoline And we have more Oil and gas Under our feet Than any other nation You know I had In Alaska There's a find It's called Anwar I got it approved Reagan couldn't get it

Nobody could get it I got it all done It was amazing They were getting ready To start drilling The equivalent They think Of Saudi Arabia One of the biggest Finds in the world It was all set to go And Biden comes in One of his first orders Were We're not going to use it It would have been So good for them We could have supplied All of Asia With oil and gas

What was the negative

And you talk about money Right The negative was Politically They didn't think It was good for them That's all

That's all it was So you don't think That it's environmentally Dangerous

Taking it from way down Deep in the earth Environmentally Would have been fine

So it can be done Responsibly Absolutely Oh otherwise The point where It protects the environment

Well I think windmills Okay So they talk about That's a good point I think windmills Are really disruptive When you talk about The environment They killed the birds You want to see A bird cemetery Go under a windmill Someday That hasn't been Cleaned out With all the bird carcasses You want

It's like

Massive amounts Of birds

Well there are also A massive eyesore I went to a ranch In South Texas We had to drive past This enormous windmill farm And it's gross It's dystopian You're looking In the left And the right And all you see Is these big Spinning machines That aren't even That effective At generating electricity

Correct Most expensive form Of electricity Is a windmill And then they start To rust and rot And you have to

And then they get

Abandoned By the people That built them Because

Well you have to Get rid of all That material too When you replace Those blades Now you have A problem Because you have To dispose Right You have to dispose These enormous windmills And how do you dispose of them

They say you can't Bury them So I even question that But I'm not going To get into it But they say You can't bury the So you have the blades And you can't bury the blades You can bury the blades It's not going to matter You can bury You'll find areas You can bury But they come up This is what I mean They come up with this But the environmentalist dream Is windmills everyone You know what happens to them After five years They start to rot After ten years You have to replace them Did you ever look at Certain parts of California Where they have heavy windmills And they've been abandoned And they're all different Manufacturers in all

Different companies And they all

I haven't seen that

It is the ugliest thing It looks like a graveyard Almost A graveyard of windmills It's pollution It's so bad

And in the oceans It's no different Than leaving garbage On the ground

How about in New Jersey Off the coast of New Jersey They want to build The people are going crazy Not to build them But where you have them The whales are washing up On shore Right So in 50 years They had one whale Come ashore Now they had like 18 Come in the last year

What is the What is happening With the whales I've read about this

Well they say that The wind drives them crazy You know it's a vibration Because you have those You know those things That 50 story building Some of them

Right And they're super sensitive To vibrations And sounds

You know the wind is rushing The things are blowing It's a vibration And it makes noise You know what it is I want to be a whale psychiatrist It drives the whales Frickin crazy Yes And something happens with them But for whatever reason They're getting washed up on shore And you know And yet the environment

Conveniently ignored By the environment

But the environmentalists They don't talk about it Right I think there's nothing uglier I see it in Scotland I see it all over the world You have this beautiful valley It's been there for You know In civilization Thousands of years But millions of years And all of a sudden You have these ugly Windmills up And the environment Would your plan

To be replaced that With nuclear What would you do

Well nuclear is bad I mean I think There's a little danger To nuclear But you know We had some really bad Nuclear They did one in Alabama They did one in I think South Carolina They do them wrong They build these massive things Then the environmentalists Get in I don't want to go into A long story Because it's too long For the show This show is too valuable To talk about concrete But they have hardened concrete It's number 12 concrete It's harder than steel It's incredible They put up a wall And an inspector Comes along And goes Nope

Nope You're a quarter of an inch The wall might be Eight feet wide You're a quarter of an inch Too short I'm sorry You've got to rip down the wall Because it's got to be Poured contiguously Right You're one quarter of an inch I'm sorry Rip down You can't rip it down This stuff You can't put a hammer Through You can't It's incredible

Concrete technology Is unbelievable What's happening You think of concrete

So you think that's an example Of overregulation Pointless

Well you have an inspector That comes along And he says Take down a 25 zillion dollar wall These things ended up Costing 25 billion dollars And one of them Never got opened But here's the story So France does it France is largely nuclear And they build small Little compact plants And if they need more They build the same thing And they hook it up And they hook it up Because they get too big And too complex And too expensive And it is very clean They say it's

Absolute You know my uncle I had a great uncle Who was a great genius Just like Other members of my family But he was a professor At MIT For I think 41 years He was the longest When I was in the White House The head of MIT Princeton and Harvard Came down to meet me And the MIT person said I have a book On your uncle Dr. John Trump He was our longest Serving professor He was a great genius Sir Do you know how And he had He knew everything

About nuclear From math to chemistry To nuclear He knew it And he said Someday it's going to be The way to go But the problem is It's so dangerous In terms of war He said

Donald someday And this was a long time Uncle John Dr. John Trump He said Someday You'll have a little Satchel At your side And you'll go into a building And you'll be able To blow up New York City I said Uncle John That'll never happen He's right You know he's right

The power is so crazy Well that was part of the problem With giving nuclear power To other countries Right Like that was the problem That happened with India And Pakistan They got nuclear power And then they were able To weaponize it

The biggest problem In the world today Is not global warming It's nuclear warming And we have idiots That are negotiating for us We have a guy That doesn't make it Past four o'clock And it's not because of age You know They ought to I know so many guys In their late 80s And they're better than I said to one guy The other day I think you're smarter Than you were 25 years ago I've known him a long time He's 89 years old He's sharp I mean he's great

Biden gives people A bad name Because that's not That's not an old That's not an age I think they say it Because I'm 3 or 4 years younger You know I think that's why They say it They say his age It's not his age He's got a problem

Two major brain surgeries He did Those are not good operations And do you see What he did today He went Running towards the camera And made some apology To Native Americans And he said That's why he's headed out west Like he's Off the reservation So to speak For lack of a better term

You know it's interesting Because during the debate I was looking over I'm saying This is strange It's just sort of Like strange things Were happening

Yeah But Well he couldn't keep it together But do you think They knew he couldn't Keep it together I think so

Do you think that Maybe could be

Well that is what happened So it's logical I think they also said

Do the debate now And get it over with Right I don't think anybody Thought he was going To get out really That didn't make any sense The debate The debate got him out But I think it's very unfair Look You have a bad debate His numbers went down But I think She's not doing very well Right now And I think she looks

Well I want to get to that too Because it's hard to know Like the whole poll thing Is very bizarre For most people Because most people Don't answer polls So they read the polls Well you have a poll I've never been polled If I did I'd hang up

I was never called

By a poll system If I did I wouldn't answer I'm busy

You know how polls are done Oh I'm going to get myself In trouble Please So I really don't believe Too much in them So

Well 2016 taught a lot of people About the ineffective Use of polls Well they were very ineffective

Because I thought I was doing well I'd go to a place And I'd have 30,000, 40,000 people Hillary would go They have 500 people And they'd tell me I'm going to lose I said why am I going to lose I had 40,000 people She had 200 people But you know I have a theory These pollsters They charge you A lot of money too You know they charge you Half a million bucks To do some stupid poll And they interview Like 251 people I don't think they interview In many cases I don't want to get myself In too much trouble

You think it's bullshit

I think they sit there They make a deal They get a half a million bucks And they say Trump's leading 51 to 49 They announce it And everybody says Oh Do you understand I don't think they I think in a lot Look I'm a very common sense person I think that They probably Don't always poll Some of them Probably never poll

What's the difference Between 49 to 51 And 47 and a half

Well it's also a tiny percentage Of the population I don't think it's representative Of the overall population I just don't think it is

I don't know of one person In my whole life That ever got called By a pollster

Exactly That's my point So

Here's my question

But I shouldn't say that Because I'm doing Really well in the polls But I think that's So this week I happen to believe In a verse I only believe If they're good No I like them this month But no I honestly believe That there's probably A lot of fraud I had a poll Washington Post ABC In the Hillary thing On Wisconsin They had me down 17 points The day before the election I knew it was wrong Because I had a rally I had 29,000 people At a racetrack And it was like Zero degrees Wisconsin And they had me down

17 points In other words You had no chance And I won And I called up My pollster Who's a good guy Good guy And I believe He's legitimate And you know Some of them are And some of them are I said tell me Why did they Have me down so much I mean Nobody's going to Believe them The next time They said they don't care When you're down 17 points People are going to Stay home They're not going to vote

Right

Because they're going to Say I love Trump But I'm not going to Waste my time It's cold out I said but what Do they make it Four or five He said at four or five They're going to go And vote At 17 They're not going to Go and vote So think of it

I was seven

This is the Washington Post ABC poll I was down 17 points In Wisconsin And I won

It's crooked stuff

There's a lot of crooked stuff And I wanted to talk about that too Because one of the things That people talk about with you Is the denial of the results And I think J.D. Vance Did a brilliant job the other day When he was being interviewed And they asked him Did Trump lose the 2020 election And he turned it around And said Was there legitimate election interference In suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story On social media And was that a concerted effort Well they say it made

A ten point difference And I lost by one

One tenth of a point They say it was 22,000 votes But look It was much more than that And I appreciate J.D. Vance Saying that And by the way I think he was a great pick Do you like J.D. as a pick?

I like him a lot You're allowed to say that No I do

I like him a lot I think he's a brilliant guy And I think His ability to talk Like a normal human being You did my friend Theo Vaughn's podcast Right And he just did it How did he do with it?

He did great He just talks like a normal human being

Is that why you called me to do this?

Is that why you called me to do this?

No, no I was He was a nice guy Once they shot you I was like He's got to come in here It's all about timing It's all about the timing Timing's good I think timing's perfect Do you even have a scar on your ear?

You got anything on there?

I do What do we say?

Let me say We got that

So right over here That's a tiny little mark It zicked right there It healed up pretty fucking good Yeah, it's pretty good Yeah It's not like some of the wrestlers Some of the UFC fighters

No You didn't get cauliflower

No, no It was sort of like a top shot The point of the bullet Was a little of the ass But you see The things take it off a little bit But It makes me a tougher guy You know the fighters You know the fighters love their You know Bo Nickel He's a great fighter

Yeah, I love Bo Nickel

How's he going to do?

I think he's terrific He's great He's a fantastic fighter He was almost like undefeated in college

He's still Yeah, he's a fantastic wrestler And one of the best mixed martial artists

When is he fighting again?

He's fighting in Madison Square Garden in November

Oh, that's going to be an interesting After the election Yep So I'll either go as president Or I'll be depressed And I won't bother Yeah, I think they're having a fight right after

One of the things that was fascinating also Was the denial of the election results Is a pretty common thing Hillary Clinton famously denied That she called you an illegitimate president And she said that Russia put you in place

Even though she conceded

Yes

You know she conceded the night of the election Because she was beaten

Yes And it was a thing that was pretty common For people, especially Democrats To deny the elections There's been many of them The Bush administration The, you know, the dangling chads All that stuff

Well look at these guys in Congress All these sleazebags in Congress That are Democrats They're still denying 2016 But now they don't so much Because, you know, they try and pin it on me You don't hear them say

But here's my point But they denied it right up until the end My point is This idea of election fraud Is a forbidden topic And you get labeled An election denied It's like being labeled an anti-vaxxer If you question some of the health consequences That people have had from the COVID-19 shots Oh my God You're anti You're an anti-vaxxer If you say And what I say publicly And I've said this a lot It's not zero percent So if you ask me What is the amount of election fraud in this country Is it zero percent?

No one thinks it's zero percent I've never met one person Not a super liberal, progressive, far-left person Or a right-wing conservative Not one person thinks it's zero percent They think when you have human beings And also you have a lot of weirdness That was going on during the 2020 elections Particularly with mail-in ballots

And you had legislatures That had to approve And they didn't approve And they went out and did it anyway And you had ballot You had old-fashioned ballot screwing I mean you had Right You have people going up And dropping in phony votes You had unsigned ballots Et cetera, et cetera There's certain people That think that they have

And the rhetoric is also That you're Hitler And that in order to stop Hitler You have to do whatever it takes That was okay, yeah Yeah, and this is I mean you're hearing this now Kamala compared you to Said your love of Hitler Yesterday It's

You know, Kamala's a very low IQ person She's a very low IQ You know, I'm for taking tests too I think anybody that runs for president Should take They should give them tests And it's not an age thing It's not based If you look back on history 70s and 80s Your greatest Some of your greatest leaders In the world World history Long time world history They were in their 70s And their 80s But I think you should take Cognitive tests I think everybody They say it's unconstitutional

That's ridiculous And you know, it's fine I don't care I want to I think it's much more interesting She, to do an interview With Anderson Cooper A softball Crazy softball interview She took two days off And she studied And studied all day long And then she comes out With a result That was a real embarrassment That was a really bad interview She couldn't answer a question And every question Is not answered I mean Like, what would you do Your first day in office Okay I'll build a wall

I won't build a wall There's a hundred things You can say Just say anything Right

There's something off with her Well, I also think We're dealing with the smartest people They hate when I say You know, when the press When I call President Xi They said He called President Xi brilliant Well, he's a brilliant guy He controls 1.4 billion people With an iron fist I mean, he's a brilliant guy Whether you like it or not And they go crazy

Right It doesn't mean he's not evil Or it doesn't mean he's not Yeah, of course not Dangerous

But actually We have evil people in our country Yes If you have a smart president He can deal with Russia He can deal with all of it I had a Russia would have never gone into Ukraine If I were president

How would you have stopped it?

Automatic Two things I told him I said Vladimir, you're not going in I used to talk to him all the time You're not going in I can't tell you what I told him Because I think it would be inappropriate But someday he'll tell you But he would have never gone in But you know why else He wouldn't have gone in Oil prices at $40 a barrel Wouldn't have allowed him Wouldn't have given him The money to prosecute that war Wouldn't have given him the money I said it with President I was with President Xi I said it was almost the same

Conversation With Vladimir It was Moscow With President Xi It was Beijing It was almost the exact same conversation I said don't do it He would have never done it The day I left They flew 28 bombers Over the middle of Taiwan 28 bombers And it's the apple of his eye And the same thing with Russia

Ukraine is the apple of his eye I used to talk to him I had a very good relationship with him He wouldn't have done it He would have never done it But he also wouldn't have done it Because of the You know one of the reasons That what happened is Number one He doesn't respect Biden at all Not even a little bit And who the hell would But he doesn't respect him But when he saw What happened in Afghanistan How horribly that was handled Number one You take the soldiers out last Not first Okay that was their big mistake And we had that thing charted out And they weren't obeying us

They weren't Abdul is the head of the Taliban Boom boom He had to do all these things Some he didn't do I said nope You're not doing You got to do them all This guy took He immediately took all He left the equipment behind Thirteen soldiers dead But he took everybody out He took his soldiers out before A child would know That's where Millie was so stupid He was such a stupid guy Millie Okay Those generals should have All been fired The Afghan The people that were involved

With Afghanistan Should have all been fired Then they'd be writing books About him How stupid he was How bad he was But you take your soldiers Out last I had a big rally And I saw a child In the front row

About a year and a half ago And I called the child up I said do you mind If I borrow your child Oh yes please And they came up Kids five years I gave them quick details You know I said we want to get out Of this place And we have this And we have this And we have the equipment I gave them a little thing I said do you take your soldiers Out first Or last After everything's done You take them out last sir A child would know that We took our soldiers out first What was your plan And we left Bagram

Well not only that Bagram We left billions of dollars Worth of equipment And military vehicles That they use for parades now

The best equipment Yeah to embarrass us The best equipment in the world

The Taliban parade Where they've got tanks Rolling down the streets And Blackhawks flying Is the craziest thing I've ever seen The fact that we left All that stuff there

We left the best equipment In the world behind

What would you have done differently?

Well number one We would have taken it out Just so you understand Go back a little bit further I had a couple of conversations With Abdul And from the time I had those conversations Because they were shooting Our soldiers You know with the sniper stuff They were shooting They were shooting a lot They were shooting a lot With Obama Much less with me But they were shooting them And I said Get this guy on the phone The press went nuts When they heard this I had a great conversation With him It was a tough conversation Eighteen months later There wasn't one soldier

That was ever shot at And even Biden admitted it In a moment of stupidity Because he shouldn't admit it His people went nuts He said Yeah well I will admit No soldier We didn't have a soldier Killed in eighteen months In Afghanistan Not one soldier was killed Because he understood What was going to happen If that happened I didn't have one soldier Then when I left After having gotten more votes Than any sitting president In the history of the country And much more votes Than he got in 2016

When I left They started shooting our soldiers But more importantly What they did is They did that whole thing With you know Leaving He shouldn't have left Number one Should have left from Bagram Because Bagram's This massive base It's got tremendous Acreage around it Tremendous It's a very big It was built many years ago And part of the reason You wouldn't have taken that Is because it goes to China One hour from where China Makes its nuclear missiles You should have never left Bagram

Number one They should have left From Bagram They should have left last They should have gotten You know we have Americans That are still there They should have taken All their equipment out Everything Every plane Every screw Should have been taken out Every tent And I said that That's when I realized That Millie was a dummy I said We're leaving But I want to get everything out Sir it's cheaper to leave it I said What do you mean

It's cheaper to leave it

Yeah he said it's cheaper to leave it Cheaper Cheaper He said it's cheaper Not more dangerous He just said cheaper I said I want every plane I want every tank I want the goggles They have night goggles They have all this stuff That these guys now have He said sir It's cheaper to get out And leave it I said so you think It's cheaper to leave A hundred and fifty million dollar Brand new airplane In there Than it is to fly it out With a tank of jet fuel And put it in Pakistan Or just fly it directly back It's cheaper to leave

I said this guy's nuts I'm telling you He was so stupid He was so unwise He was like an unwise man And there were a number of them But I defeated ISIS With the greatest generals I had a guy who was so great I flew to Iraq And I met the real generals Not these idiots That we deal with And we knocked out You know I defeated A hundred percent Of the ISIS caliphate They said it would take five years Because I did it in a matter of a few

Literally a few weeks And we hit them hard And he said Sir we're going to hit him here We're going to hit him there We're going to hit him here there And I said This guy's great I like this guy I was told it would take five years That's why I went I said how could it take five years We have brand new fighters We have the best planes The best weapons The best guns The best bombs How could it possibly take that long And I flew to I flew in Left at three o'clock in the morning Nobody knew where I was going

I got an Air Force One And we started flying And when we reached about Half an hour away from Iraq That was where the airport was Big airport About a half an hour away They said sir I'm sorry You'll have to turn off all your lights Why?

We're getting close to our site I said you mean we spent Eight trillion dollars And we can't leave the lights Think of this Twenty years Eight trillion dollars And we can't leave the lights on In a plane

I said that's okay Turn the lights on I'm not going to fight them This is because it's too dangerous?

Yeah too dangerous

Because they see the light up In the air

They'll shoot at it So I said Turn the lights on Then they said Sir we're going to also Pull your shades of That's okay I said that's okay The plane was pitch black All the lights outside You know the blinking The blinking reds They were all turned off And I like to sit with pilots A lot of times And these guys are specimens I always say They're better looking Than Tom Cruise Okay And they're even taller Like perfect specimens These guys Like for a fighter You know you have some guys

That are perfect specimens And you know they picked They picked the best pilots In the Air Force United States Air Force To fly Air Force One And I get up there

And I'm sitting And I'm feeling my way up You know it's up high Because 747 So you go through the stairs But I sort of knew my way up There wasn't a light In the plane I'm saying Can you imagine We spent trillions of dollars And we're trying to fly in blind But I got into the plane The cockpit is dark black Little tiny light You could see the pilot A perfect looking human being His co-pilot Everybody was perfect They were all like movie stars You know it's like I could have cast a movie With these guys And nobody would believe it

Because they were too good looking

So I said How are we doing Captain Sir we'll be landing in 10 minutes And I look outside There's not a light And I'm saying You know I've landed A lot of planes And you see like Little lights at least There's nothing It's just pure desert

And I said Okay Captain Good but I'm looking Now where You've been in many planes Where it has the computer So I'm saying 1,000 feet Goes 1,900 900

800 It's a computer voice But it sounds like But it's an incredible voice

700 I said Captain Are we okay I'm looking Are we okay Captain There's no lights And I'm looking You know normally When you land a plane Because I sit with Paul A lot I think it's great I think it's a great profession Everything They're incredible These machines are incredible He said sir We're fine No problem sir I said You know I don't see the lights Up there Captain And sure we're okay You know So I mean I'm exaggerating a little bit You know Problem with exaggerating They'll tell the story They'll say Trump was a coward So I'm sitting with him

He goes 500 And I'm telling you There wasn't a light On the runway Nothing And we're going in You okay Captain Everything good Yes sir No problem We'll be down In about one minute sir And I'm telling you Joe You know There's always a light There's not a little pin And all of a sudden Pshh And you hear Bwah Bwah Perfect landing Like glass That's how good I mean these guys Between the equipment And it's genius

It's pure It was so dark You couldn't see A thing There was no runway You wouldn't know Where the hell you are You're in the middle Of a desert And then I got out Of the plane I said thank you Captain That's a great job And then I got out Of the plane And I'm going down And I see A general And another general And I see A staff sergeant A drill sergeant And various guys All central casting Central casting

They said sir Would you like to rest I said I don't want to rest I wanted to figure out What the hell are we doing With ISIS I'm hearing we can't It's going to take years No sir We can do it Very quickly sir And anyway We go into the room We go I mean Biden Would have taken a nap For four days And then left Without a meeting So we go into the room And they have these guys I say how long Can you do it How long We can do it In a couple of weeks sir I said wait a minute They told me five years We can do it And I don't know He gave me a number

Like just Like in no time I said why Haven't you done it Because the orders Came in from Washington sir And they would come here And tell us what to do Don't you challenge us We're not allowed To do that sir That's not the military way They tell us what to do And we have to respect them

So do you think That it was incompetence Why they didn't Go after ISIS

I think it's a bad system You know when Mattis Goes there Or when Milley Goes there Who's stupid And they tell these guys That are actually smart What to do And the guys that are smart Are saying We don't like what they're doing But they're not allowed To sort of counteract Plus the guys That went there Are arrogant You know They're arrogant fools They're like stupid fools The way they pulled out of You know the way they As an example The way they pulled out Of Afghanistan With the people Falling off the planes It was so It was worse than Vietnam

With the helicopters Falling It was so bad There was no reason for it Anyway So we knocked them out And I mean We have great military We have great people But not the television guys And I rebuilt the military And then they gave a chunk of it Now you have to tell you As much as it is It's a tiny little piece Believe it or not We have an unbelievable I rebuilt the military I rebuilt our nuclear And in a way I hated to redo it But I got to realize How powerful that nuclear is

Joe

One bomb Israel is gone But forget One bomb could take out The entire east coast It's so bad And I watched these poor fools Talking about Our oceans will rise One eighth of an inch Over the next 500 years I mean We have people We have countries Right now you have five countries And don't underestimate North North If you take a look At North Korea I was there I mean I was with Kim Jong I had a great I got along great with him

You know the press He got along great That's a good thing It's not a bad thing It's a great thing Obama thought We were going to go to war With North Korea When I met with Obama Just prior to the takeover You know you meet You have sort of A ceremonial meeting But it lasted a long time A lot longer Than it was supposed to last I said what's the biggest problem He said North Korea By the time I finished I was We had no problem With North Korea We were really It was a little tough At the beginning Remember He said I have a red button

On my desk I said I have a red button also But mine's bigger than yours And mine works

I liked how you called him Little Rocket Man

I said Yeah Little Rocket I said Little Rocket Man You're going to burn in hell And it was a rough Yeah Oh so rough That people were worried This is crazy And then one day I got a call Sort of like a fight I got a call You know You ever see Pounding Then all of a sudden But I got a call And it was from him Meaning his people They wanted to meet They wouldn't meet Obama He tried to meet They wouldn't even Talk to him about it And I think he expected To go to war I actually do I believe he expected

To go And we checked Their nuclear stockpile It is substantial I mean It's I said Do you do anything I got to know him very well I got to know him better Than anybody Anybody And I said Do you ever do anything else Why don't you go Take it easy And relax Go to the beach You have beautiful Beach Nice beachfront property You know Kiddingly I said You're always building nuclear Just relax You don't have to do it Let's build some condos On your shoreline They actually have gorgeous stuff And he said I just have to do it

Because I need it For my safety It said I got to know him very well We had no problem with him If you have a smart problem If you have a smart Really The right president The smart president You're not going to have a problem And I say it to people We have a bigger problem In my opinion With the enemy From within And it drives him crazy When I use that term But we have an enemy From within We have people That are really bad people That I really think Want to make this country Unsuccessful When you look at What's happening

At our border Joe When you have people Coming in That when When other countries Are allowed To empty their prisons Into our country With murderers We had 13,099 Murderers Dropped in our country Over the last three years

And 15,000 rapists Convicted Rapists Yeah

Drug dealers Drug lords

And that's just the ones That have been accounted for Terrorists

Correct People from mental institutions What do you think This strategy is?

Hundreds to hundreds Of thousands Of major criminals Tougher and worse Than anybody we have

We're seeing the consequences Of it in San Antonio They've taken over Apartment buildings In Aurora, Colorado They've taken over Apartment buildings These Venezuelan gangs

Just the beginning

What do you think The strategy is?

You know One of the things That they've said Is that you Stopped a bill From being passed But didn't that bill Also include amnesty For the people That are already here?

Yeah This is years After the fact The damage was already done But what was the bill?

And what was the problem?

The bill was nothing

It allowed 2 million people in They were going to get amnesty It was a horrible bill It didn't protect us at all

But we should just tell people What the strategy is So one of the things That's been very clear One of the things That's been very clear Is that they've moved A large percentage Of these migrants That are coming across The border illegally They've moved them To swing states This is what's going on With Springfield, Ohio Right?

They're in swing states Well that's not a swing state I'm going to win Ohio By a lot So that's not a swing But it's called Springfield, Ohio To be exact And Springfield, Ohio Is this very nice community Of 52,000 people That just had 32,000 migrants That don't speak the language Dropped into their community You can't get into a hospital You can't get into a school It's gone from a beautiful little place To a horror show And the mayor is a nice guy

And the mayor says We're looking for interpreters I said no You've got to remove them And bring them back To their country Mostly Haitians In this case But they speak no They speak no language They speak no No English In fact even the language They do speak I mean they can't get interpreters They can't do anything And the mayor is trying To be politically correct They're all trying to be In Aurora, Colorado You have the worst Probably the worst gang MS-13 might even be You know Those two are the worst gangs These are Venezuela gangs

They have taken over

Apartment complexes And they're going to want To take over the whole thing And you have a weak governor A pathetic governor Who's a radical left democrat He doesn't know What the hell to do But you have it In many other communities But they don't like To talk about it Because it's You know It's bad for the community To talk about it These people Have been let in here By this imbecile She's And I mean it She's a low IQ person Low IQ

Right but it's also It's obviously not just her There's a strategy That's involved In letting these people in Well she was in charge

Of the border

Well she's in charge Of the border But they also They utilize that app The app that used to be used It used to be used I think essentially Wasn't it for shipping?

Wasn't it when people Were in this country?

It was used for shipping And now it's used to Deal with the cartels The cartel Heads of the cartel Rich people by the way These are loaded These people have so much money They would call up Think of this They call up the app And the app tells them Where they should take Their load of illegal migrants From the Congo You know we have a lot From the Congo Prisons in the Congo

I made a little bit Of a sarcastic joke A man named Dana White Who you love Who I love I assume you love him

Love that dude

I think he's in a class

He's probably the reason Why you're here

I don't know maybe

He's one of the big ones

He is the greatest guy You know I always say Nobody's indispensable You know everybody Can be replaced Maybe you can't be You might not be But Dana White Truly I don't think You know the things They sold it for 4 billion I said what a hell Who the hell Is going to pay 4 billion

And they made Like a great deal I mean

Because of him Take him out I think it's a whole different No he's the best

And he's also the greatest guy He spoke at the whole thing With you know I had just been shot And he got up And he spoke So better than anybody I mean who would be better To introduce you I asked of all the people And I know the biggest people In the world And they all would have Loved to have done it I said Dana Would you do it You know it was interesting He was away And he said to the people That you know One of my guys called Said I won't be able to do it I'm gee I just left with my wife And family I won't I said He said no yeah

I was a little surprised Even though I knew He was very far away He was in some place You know And he deserved it With his family You know the whole thing And then I said Alright And so we're looking Who are we going to get And all of a sudden She comes in Sir Dana White Just said he's going to do it And he's coming back in tonight He's taking it You know The guy is just An incredible guy And he's like a tough champion But loyal Yeah He's got to be One of your favorite people He's one of my favorite people

I've been friends with him For 23 years

I love him So would you have

Because what you're doing here Is incredible I mean everybody tells me All I know is today I'm going You know you're on Joe Rogan People are telling me Like I said I say how the hell do you know that But it's sort of What you've done here Is amazing Where would you be If you didn't do the UFC stuff Would you have this show Do you think

Yeah I would still be doing it For sure Yeah

Would it be at the same level I don't know But you would have

It's hard to know I think You know One of the things That works for this show I guess Is that I I'm involved in so many Different things You know Stand-up comedy UFC And all the interests That I have That lead to the podcast

Will you always want to do First of all You love UFC I love it

Yeah You love the fights

I mean I watch you You are loving it

They could pay you nothing You'd be very They didn't pay me anything For the first like 13 shows I did it for free Because they were Hemorrhaging money And I became friends With Dana And my position was You're going to give me The best seat in the house I get to sit cage side For the fights I'll do it And I wanted to help I was like I think these are the guys That we had always hoped for In the early days Of the sport I started working For the company In 1997 I was the Before the UFC Was purchased by Zufa Which Dana worked for So I was a part Of the previous owners And I only did it

For a couple years It was just too much And I was losing money And it was banned From cable Because of Budweiser And John McCain And you could only get it On direct TV And so

And then I came along And I gave him the sights

You did And he loves you And he never forgot it He loves you for that He talks about it all the time

You know and Just to interrupt you For one second So they couldn't get a sight Because it was too dangerous Right And everybody was against it And they couldn't get a license And I gave him The first two or three sights Yep And they were great And by the way I went to the first fight I said I never saw anything Like this It was crazy It was so good Take the best fight You've ever seen It was like that fight Right It was so good That I gave it to him Again and again And all of a sudden It caught on But you know When I wasn't in vogue You know I've had time You probably never had a time

But I had times When I wasn't exactly in vogue Dana they called him He said he's the greatest guy There's nobody like He said I'll never say anything bad About that guy Because when I needed Because they were having a hard time At the beginning They almost pulled the plug A couple of times Right He said he stood up And he gave us stuff That nobody else gave us And nobody wanted anything to do And he said I will never And there was a time Where it would have been Very popular for him To say bad stuff about me He said the greatest stuff about me

He said you're going to try And get me to say bad stuff About Trump I'm never doing it

No he's a very He's an unusual guy Very unusual guy

He's a fantastic guy

A perfect guy To be at the helm Of something so controversial As the UFC

Less controversial now Well now it's huge

Yeah Well this was always The thing that I would hope That it would be I always knew That it was unbelievably entertaining But I just didn't know If maybe I was crazy Maybe I loved it Because I've had This long history Of being involved in martial arts And maybe like other people Who just think it's too violent But Can boxing make it?

Yeah Boxing's still a great sport I love boxing

But it seems to be

So unimportant now By comparison to UFC Don't you think?

I think Well you know Dana is working With the kingdom of Saudi Arabia They're going to Start promoting boxing now And with Dana At the helm of it I think boxing can return Because The thing is They want to make fights That other people Maybe you know Promoters don't want to make Because they want to protect Their fighter Controversial fights Where you know It's dangerous Like you don't know This guy could lose And so the Saudis They're smart They just offer A tremendous amount of money And they're putting together Fights that no one else Can put together They're doing that in boxing

If Dana's involved He'll probably make it good You know the amazing thing Though In fighting No UFC fighter They say Has ever died And it looks to me Much more violent than boxing Many boxers have died Isn't it interesting?

And Dana tells me Because they take so many shots To the face

Yes And there's also No other options To preserve yourself To protect yourself So if you get hit In a UFC fight You can clinch You can try to take The fight to the ground You get options Also you don't get allowed To get knocked down And then get back up When you get knocked down You're concussed And generally You know If a guy's really hurt They can be finished On the ground And the fight's over If it's boxing You have 10 seconds To get up You get up Your head kind of clears But you're still In real bad trouble And then you can kind of Run away And survive Until the bell rings They're only three minute rounds

And then you start again So you're getting Repeated punishment To the head

Yeah

You know And then there's also The issue of guys Weight cutting You know Which is a problem With the UFC as well But weight cutting In boxing Has led to If you look at Deaths in boxing There's very few Of them in the heavyweight division Most of the deaths In boxing Are the lighter weight divisions Because when guys Dehydrate themselves To lose weight To make weight Their brain Is the last thing That gets rehydrated Like It's very difficult To completely Rehydrate Your brain quickly And you only have 24 hours Between the weigh-in And the fight And it used to be The weigh-ins Were the day of the fight

Like when Boom Boom Mancini Had a fight With Dukku Kim And killed him In the ring Which is one of the Last ones on television That we've seen That's right That was a crazy event For people And heartbreaking And it led to a bunch Of different changes And one of them Is day before weigh-ins To allow people To rehydrate better And the other one Is they dropped it From 15 rounds Down to 12

Which Look They should do that I guess You know I'm not I'm not the fighter So But those 15 round fights Were unbelievable

They were unbelievable Unbelievable Yeah You go back To the golden age

Yeah In terms of entertainment Oh yeah Those were the Championship rounds Those were the Greatest fights Ever

Those last three rounds Were crazy That was brutal I mean it's such A war of attrition You know A lot of people Think even like A five round UFC fight UFC is five minute rounds It's so much energy You're burning out And those last couple Of rounds Those five round fights The fourth and the fifth round Unbelievably brutal

Who's the greatest UFC fighter Are you allowed to say In your opinion It's tough for you to say Because you do this But who do you think Is the greatest Of the fighters

There's There's a lot of arguments For who's the greatest Of all time You know John Jones Most people would say Is the greatest Of all time Never lost It's There's certainly A really good argument For that There's another argument For George St. Pierre I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime Anderson Silva In his prime You know Mighty Mouse People forget about Mighty Mouse Because unfortunately He's a smaller guy He's 125 pounds Flyweight champion He's one of the greatest Expressions of mixed martial arts

I've ever seen I think to this day And Khabib Khabib's fantastic But if you looked at Like accomplishments In terms of championship fights Khabib retired 29 and 0 But he didn't have As many world championship fights And probably never lost a round

They say

He might have lost To Gleason Tebow He might have lost to him A round He might have lost a round And that was a controversial fight Where people think That Gleason Tebow Could have even got The decision in that fight I'd have to go back And watch it again To make a decision But

They're great athletes

Oh The best athletes in the world And the most dangerous sport In terms of like It's I always call it High level problem solving With dire physical consequences That's what fighting is

You know I'll never forget So there was a fighter Named James Toney

Oh yeah I love James Toney

He fought as a very light fighter And he ended up as a heavyweight This guy went through everything He was almost like a lightweight

He went from middleweight All the way up to heavyweight Yeah And beat Evander Holyfield As a heavyweight

And he was a real fighter

Oh yeah

So James Toney And I think it was

Say George

George St. Pierre

St. Pierre I think it was him Who did he fight?

James Toney No

James Toney didn't fight George St. Pierre He fought a UFC fighter Yeah Randy Couture fought James Toney Was it Randy Couture?

But that was like an easy fight That was a very easy fight Randy Couture just took him down And strangled him It was the most

And he's half the size And he just Once he got to the ankles In fact the announcer said It's over Yeah

And he put him to sleep Took him down Mounted him Strangled him It was pretty quick And James Toney

But he was talking big Because he was much bigger He was a pretty big guy

James just wanted to make some money You think so?

Yeah

But I never forgot it I don't think he knew It was over very quickly And he was lying Sleeping on the mat And he was talking You know he was doing The Muhammad Ali stuff But it didn't work out But I remember

He sold the fight

Yeah that was Couture probably

Yeah it was Couture George never fought a boxer In an MMA fight If he did he would kill them

Was he one of the greatest?

Yes Unquestionably That's the argument There's like a handful of guys You can make the argument Is the greatest of all time People forget about Anderson Silva In his prime He was unstoppable But that's the thing is And then there's Fedor Emelianenko Who fought in pride In his prime He was unstoppable There's this And you have a couple now That are pretty good Yes Oh we've got so many now Alex Pereira Correct There's an argument That he's the top pound for pound fighter In the world right now

He's looking very good Yeah

He's unbelievable But it's like Fighters can only compete At that level For so many years And so in my opinion You have to judge them At their very peak You can't judge them When they're hanging on And still fighting You can't judge them When they're coming up You've got to judge them In that championship peak In that championship peak There's a handful of guys That you would consider At the very top

If they stopped A little bit sooner Yeah Some of them would have had You know I mean there are a couple That you just mentioned Without mentioning names If they stopped They had the perfect They were unbelievable And then at a certain age They start getting knocked out Right?

Yes It's unfortunate But the thing is That same belief in themselves That lets them become a champion Makes them think I think that they can do it Long past the time That they actually can

Well Anderson Silver Was essentially unbeatable And then he lost a close one And then all of a sudden

He got knocked out He got knocked out By Chris Weidman Right He was kind of clowning In that fight famously And Chris Weidman Had a vicious left hook Knocked him out And then they fought A second time And he broke his leg On Chris Weidman And after that fight He was kind of Never the same Because that That leg break injury Which Conor McGregor had There's quite a few fighters That was a bad one Weidman actually wound up Having the same injury Ironically There's only been like Four of those

You're never the same Because you can't kick

Never the same Well you can Weidman is still kicking With that leg You can But psychologically When you throw a kick And your leg snaps in half And you're in agony For a year Right?

You have to get surgery You have to get bolts And plates To keep your leg together And then it takes forever For it to heal

It always amazes me How the kicker I mean you have those cases But the kicker Will do tremendous damage To somebody's leg But their leg Doesn't seem to get damaged Isn't it Sort of amazing?

It does get damaged It hurts More than you think Yeah but your shin Your shin gets very numb After a while And guys that are Really good kickers They're kicking the thigh And they're kicking the calf They're kicking soft areas And they're slamming This hard numb shin Right Their shin gets all these These like micro fractures All over the shin And it calcifies

Oh wow

Like these guys Can kick baseball bats You ever see them Break baseball bats With their shins?

No I've never

It's crazy Some guys can do Two baseball bats Someone will hold The baseball bat And they'll just Kick right through them Because their shins Almost getting numb But see I want your enthusiasm

Now right?

Yeah

And it's like That's why you're good Nobody does this better Without the enthusiasm Forget it

Well it has to be authentic Like that I mean the only reason Why I do MMA commentary Is because I'm Very interested in it For real I don't have to Manufacture it I'm very interested So I think that's why

And you love going in there After the fight And they're sweating All over you They're slopping All over you You're beautiful

They bleed on me They're bleeding Sometimes their nose Does that bother you A little bit?

No

Like two weeks ago I never saw Khalil Roundtree Yeah More stuff came out Of his nose

Yes It was pretty nasty But no I'm very used to it I just wanted him To be able to express himself You've done a great job Thank you You've done a great job So back to you And back to What are you And first of all I love this idea Of you teaming up With Robert Kennedy Right And I love this Make America healthy again Yep Idea Because there are Chemicals and ingredients That are in our food That are illegal In other countries Because they've been Shown to be toxic

There's pesticides And herbicides And there's a lot of shit That's been sprayed On our food That really is unnecessary And there's a lot Of health consequences That people are suffering From a lot of these things

I've read this chart for you Beautiful Because I had a feeling You'd be asking me Thank you Look at this chart These are healthier countries Look where the United States is I'm going to send this To RFK Jr.

Look at this So this is Well Something along the I was actually talking To RFK today And he told me That more than 70% Of young men Are ineligible For the military Because of their health

I could see it That's crazy A lot of it's obesity

So here's the Life expectancy Versus health expenditure

Same chart Yeah Did you see that?

USA Wow That's pretty good Jamie's the best He's very good He's the best But no But look at that Look where the USA is Not good And that's our food That's our diet That's sedentary lifestyle That's our diet That's the chemicals We ingest That's what that is

But RFK is going to be You know I think he's a great guy

I love the fact That you guys teamed up Yeah And are you guys Are you completely committed To have him a part Of your administration?

Oh I am But the only thing

I want to be a little careful About with him Is the environmental Because you know He doesn't like oil I love oil and gas I think you know Just keep him out of that To fire So I'm going to Sort of keep him out Of a little bit I said focus on health Focus You can do whatever you want But I've got to be A little bit careful With the liquid gold You know

I understand But listen There's plenty of good work That could be done If you focus on health Here's the one

That's my all time favorite What is that?

See the arrow right here That's when I left

Do you have anyone That is pressuring you To not work with him?

Have there been People that are To not work with who?

RFK Jr.

Yes Yes I would imagine Because financially He could put a dent

I would say that And you know I think in many ways They've done a good job In many ways They've done a bad job But I would say That the big pharma

Wasn't thrilled When they heard that You know I have a relationship I've actually Always gotten along Very well with him I've known him a long time He's a different kind of a guy He's very smart Great guy And he's very sincere About this I mean he really is You know He thinks We spend a fortune On pesticides On all the stuff And then you end up That chart is a terrible chart The one previous It's such a bad chart When you look at Where we are Compared to other countries That don't spend 10 cents Right So you know And you save a lot of money But yeah I've had some people

That aren't exactly thrilled

You can imagine right?

Sure It's a good question actually

Well certainly If there have been It doesn't affect me Some pharmaceutical drugs That have been prescribed That have negative consequences That these people Have been profiting off of And then you have a guy Like RFK Jr.

Who spends an enormous amount Of time highlighting those things You could say how they'd be Very reluctant to have you Support him

I would say That's an understatement Yeah

So what do you do To stop that From getting in the way?

Well look They've come up With some amazing things I mean I don't know How you feel I know you're against Certain vaccines But like the polio vaccine People had polio It was like a disaster And they came up Dr. Salk And he came up With a vaccine And there's no polio Now very interesting There hasn't been polio But now in the Gaza Strip Can you believe that?

Have you heard that?

There's been a big strain Of polio coming out In the Gaza Strip

Is it vaccine derived polio?

Because you know There's a strain of polio That comes directly From the vaccine Because unfortunately Sometimes when you vaccinate People for polio You actually give them polio See I haven't heard that Yeah

I mean all I can do Is I sit down And I listen to him And I'll give it Total I would love him To be right Because it's If he's right It's a lot less expensive Generally speaking

There's two things That people point to When they point to The dangers Of the pharmaceutical Drug industry One thing Is when pharmaceutical drugs Were allowed to advertise On television We're only one Of two countries In the world That allow pharmaceutical drugs To advertise on TV The other one's New Zealand But they're more restrictive Than we are People are worried

But those ads Those ads When you hear like You know Take a certain drug And then you hear All the consequences

And then you say

It causes cancer And baldness We don't like baldness

Suicidal ideation

And they said that

And eyesight

And you can lose your vision Yeah And you know I just I actually asked one of these guys I would never take I mean It causes things That are so bad They go through a whole list I guess they save some liability But man I said Does that affect the purchase Or they say It really does When they When there's something You have And you read And then they go through The list of Side effects The potential side It's not even The potential side effects

Right

I mean A lot of people Are just I ask that question People hear that When I hear it I'm going to take a pass It says May affect your vision May cause blindness May this Yes

Well I know you're aware Of Cali and Casey Means Right Yes Well one of the things That they pointed out And this is a very important thing For people to understand Is what a lot of these drugs do Is they They act to To somehow or another Mitigate the effects Of poor metabolic health

Uh huh

But most of these problems That these people are suffering from Wouldn't exist If we put an emphasis On metabolic health If people got healthier They started eating Nutritious food And taking vitamins A whole host Of these problems That people are having Would go away And the problem with that From the pharmaceutical Drug standpoint Is they wouldn't be able To sell drugs To these people And this is a fear That a lot of people have And the pesticides

And things like that On the plants Yeah What do you think of that?

Terrible Well I think Regenerative agriculture Unfortunately Is very difficult to scale To a point where you got A jack in the box On every corner Right If everybody wants food And we have food deserts And we have places Like Los Angeles Where no one's growing anything And everything has to be shipped in And it's very difficult To feed that many people We've created this Incredible society Where we have these enormous cities But it's very difficult To get food to these people And then for a lot of these people In low income areas The only food that's available Is cheap unhealthy food

That's right And we could fix that That's If we could send $175 billion to Ukraine We could do something To fix a lot of the health problems That the United States has And I think it would It would help us As a nation Overall If you just put it out there That hey As a nation We're going to make A concerted effort To get people healthier Just put it out there And people start making

We're making better choices Well when you look at that chart It's crazy They just gave me that chart Because they said You may want to discuss this topic Which I know is a big topic for you And when I looked at that chart And I looked at how unhealthy We are as a nation That's a pretty big thing How are you so healthy?

Is it golf?

No it's genetics I believe You know I'm a big believer

Genetics is a big factor

I really am I mean my father was

Unfortunately it is a big factor For health So some people are just Way more robust But you do play golf a lot And that is exercise Both of my parents

For me it's good Fresh air

It really is It's fresh You're outside

Even mentally You're focused on that three footer And for a couple of hours You're not And I go quick I play fast Real fast And I'm in and I'm out But you know It gives me I was never one that could Like run on a treadmill Or just And I can do it You know when passing a physical They ask me to run on a treadmill And then they make it steeper And steeper And steeper And the doctor said It was at Walter Reed They said

It's unbelievable I could have gone I'm telling you I felt I could have gone all day But I said Doc I can do this all day long I'm not I have no problem But it's boring to me Do you understand It's just boring

Golf's exciting

But I did it for so long They couldn't believe it That I did it And I never You know I don't do it I don't You know I have friends They run on this stuff All day long But I had no problem doing it But it's really boring So with golf or something You know Or tennis or whatever Right Golf as you get older There's something really good about it And you have competition With your friends

Competition Concentration Focus

And it's a great handicap sport

And it's also a thing I think that's It cleans your mind Because when you're looking At a shot That's all you can think of When you're executing

It gives you a couple of You know it's interesting Like with tennis If you're much better Than somebody You can't really play With somebody You know it doesn't work You can give them Sort of the equivalent Of strokes right But it's not this With golf You can play with a lousy guy And give them a stroke a hole Or two strokes a hole Or something You know it's a good Handicapping sport Right But it gives me A little exercise But I haven't played In a long time I won a lot I won 32 club championships

Didn't you play Right after you got shot?

No What I did Is I played with Bryson DeChambeau Do you know Bryson?

Yes The pro Uh huh He's a great player And we played It was a certain thing That we played I guess called Breaking 50 or something 50 we play From a certain tee And if you can break 50 And it got tremendous ratings Sort of like a crazy thing It got tremendous He's a great guy He's a great coach

A couple of days After you got shot I don't know

I know I haven't

I think that was one Of the funniest things You were on the golf course

I think I did Yeah maybe I did But I You know I view it Very interestingly I'm running For president Of the United States To me it's such a big deal It's so important So I've got now

What's the biggest deal In the free world?

It's 100 times bigger Than the Super Bowl And it's one person

Yeah

So you're down 56 days That's a long time I haven't taken One day off I don't I don't want to play golf This is too exciting Golf Is great But this is too exciting This is more exciting Than anything you can do And the thing is

Also it's the home stretch

It's the home stretch Who would take a day off So we have 11 days left now

And Think of it So I think I've gone 54, 55 days in a row No days off And I make speeches Often times You know sometimes not But I make speeches And when you make a speech And my speeches Last a long time Because of the weave You know I mean I weave stories Into it And if you don't If you just read A teleprompter Nobody's gonna Be very excited You gotta weave it out So But you always have As you say You always have to Get right back to work Yeah Otherwise it's no good But the weave Is very very important Very few weavers around But

It's a big strain On your You know It's a big It's a lot of work It's a lot of work You gotta be careful With the voice You can lose that voice The voice wasn't designed I said today So I made a big one Last night I was in Las Vegas Big one the night before In Arizona Big one I mean They're all big We have the There's never been Anything like it In terms of crowd Never been close Never been close They say He talks about Crowd says You know It's very interesting

So We get crowds That are Really big And I say You know I've never had A story Because I don't get Good press I don't think I've had a good story In years I really don't I swear I don't think You were talking About it a little bit With Oprah Everybody loved me I don't think I became president Of the United States

I did great The second time I did much better I don't want To get you In any disputes But I won That second election So easy And not just Because But let me

Let me get to that I want to talk To you about that But here's the thing

I did that And now I've gotten The nomination again And don't forget To get these nominations You go against Very smart people Ron DeSantis Was hot Had to go through him Nikki Haley Was hot Had to go through her Went through everybody Record time Right Record time I got three nominations In a row

Won the first time Did much better The second time You know I get millions of votes More the second time And now I'm doing it A third time And it's an incredible thing I never get a good story I only get bad press Now I will say this It's a lot easier If you're a democrat If I were a democrat

You'd get a lot of positive press I would get a lot of positive press

Yeah

No it's a creepy corrupt business And the media To a large extent Acts as a propaganda arm For the democratic party

It's not even believable

Yeah It's bizarre to watch And most You know Most young people I think are aware of it I think most boomers Still unfortunately Read the newspapers And believe in CNN But it's getting younger

Yes

Let me tell you

It's getting for us For a conservative Yes And you know I don't even

I consider myself A person It's the internet It's because the internet Is giving people information That they're not getting From anywhere else And they like The very fine people hoax The Russiagate hoax All these different things That they've done They tried to pin on you That's like It's a clear distortion Of what you actually said

The bloodbath hoax Yes I was talking about

Yes

The auto industry

Yes

It's a bloodbath Because Japan Of course And China Are taking our auto And I said It's a bloodbath They said Oh he used the word Bloodbath

He said If you don't win It's going to be a bloodbath That's right Because they're going to take over That's exactly what you said It's a terrible thing They do But that's the problem With propagandists Because they take things Out of context And ultimately What they do Is they diminish Their own credibility Because people don't want To listen to them anymore Because they see That they've done that And they recognize What's going on And they feel insulted Their intelligence Is getting insulted

You know shows like yours So I have a son Who's very smart And tall Barren Right And he knows All about you He knows about guys I never heard of He said Dad you don't know How big they are They're big You know He told me how big I said Who the hell is he Like Ross I did He said Dad he's a great guy I mean guys That are doing It's a whole new world Out there

It's a different world And I think But you know

I'm on TikTok now

Congratulations

And I've done Really well No but you know They're crazy Have you seen The numbers Billions Like billions Of hits It's crazy

I'm sure TikTok's a wild application

And I've gone up 30 points A Republican Is always down 30 with young people I'm plus 30 And I'm on TikTok It's had a huge impact

Young people Are rejecting A lot of this Woke bullshit Young people Are tired of being Yelled at And scolded They're tired of These people That they think Are mentally ill Telling them What the moral standards Of society Should be today And people are upset

It's a big There's a big difference now But even in Just a couple of years I was shaking hands With people They're young People

The rebels Are Republicans now They're like You want to be a rebel You want to be punk rock You want to like Buck the system You're a conservative now That's how crazy And then the liberals Are now Pro

Pro Silencing Criticism They're pro Censorship Online They're talking about Regulating free speech And they're regulating The first amendment It's bananas To watch

Joe They come after Their political opponent I got more guys I always say You know I kid But I'm not kidding I've been investigated More than Alphonse Capone He was the meanest Of them all He'd kill you In two seconds If he didn't like you Right I've been under investigation More than Alphonse Capone Only because It's political opponent stuff And I've won I won the big case In Florida I'm winning the other stuff You win But you know what they did They did something That's only done In third world countries They came after

Their political opponent Yes I could have put Crooked Hillary in jail

Well not only that But they're weaponizing it By saying that That's what you're going to do Once you get in office Isn't it great By ignoring

What they're doing right now It's crazy I heard it Somebody was defending me Today No that's They say that's what You're doing to him They're going He's going to put us in jail He's going to invest That's what you're doing That's what you're doing to him Yeah A lot of people say Will you do that Will you do that to him To them If you win You know The presidency The presidency Has tremendous power I could have put Crooked Hillary

I respected that you didn't Because what you said Was it would be bad For the country

No I can't I couldn't even imagine You have First of all Secretary of State But more importantly The wife of the president Of the United States Of America Going into jail And if you ever saw When I'd say something About her They'd all say I didn't say it I never said it They say lock her up Lock her up And I'd always go Take it easy Just relax We're going to win this thing Take it easy Take it easy And I'm telling you I kept it down Just the opposite Now they say Oh Trump wanted to put her in jail No I saved her From going to jail They had more stuff on her

And Comey had it Because when Comey got up And he stupidly Because he's a stupid guy too He goes He's a stupid son of a bitch He got up Joe He got up And instead of saying She's innocent of all charges He went over each charge And each charge was a killer And he'd go And as far as her doing this

She's innocent And this And then she's only An unfair prosecutor Would go But every time You heard these charges They sounded so bad They were bad And all it was Is he wanted more air time If he would have gone up And said I've thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton And she's done nothing That we feel is wrong It would have ended Instead He wanted to be up there Because he's a He's a PR hound He's a hog And he starts going through

And you know what he had They had a huge problem Because FBI is great The people there Not the top people The people The real people The people that work there It's like the real generals That I told you about That defeated ISIS In record time The FBI guys are great I'll bet you I'd be at 95% In the FBI

I bet that's right

Underneath Yeah And so here's the thing So he goes with Hillary And instead of just saying He goes through each charge Right And even I was saying

Man those are bad charges Sounds terrible Because he's associating her With those charges Don't forget

This is before I got there

Right

Now he was trying to protect her But he did her a great disservice Because he wanted attention He was stupid

So I want to talk about 2020 Because you said over and over again That you were robbed in 2020

Yeah totally

How do you think you were robbed?

Everybody always cuts you off I'm going to allow They do

Well they not only cut you off Well what I'd rather do Is we'll do it another time And I would bring in papers That you would not believe So many different papers That election was so crooked It was the most crooked election

Okay but give me some examples of how

Well let's start Let's start on the top And the easy ones Okay They were supposed to get Legislative approval To do the things they did And they didn't get it In many cases they didn't get it

What things?

Anything Legislative approval of Like for extensions of the voting For voting earlier For this

Right

All different things By law they had to get Legislative approvals You don't have to go any further than that If you take a look at Wisconsin

They virtually admitted That the election was rigged Robbed and stolen They wouldn't give access In certain areas To the ballots Because the ballots Weren't signed They weren't originals They were We could go into this stuff We could go into the ballots Or we could go into the overall I'll give you another one

Are you going to present this ever?

Like what do you Do you think Let me just give you Okay go ahead Before

51 Intelligence agents Come up That the laptop Was from Russia It turned out to be totally false

51 former intelligence agents Right

They say that made I don't believe it's this much But it doesn't matter I won by like I lost by like I didn't lose But they say I lost Joe They say I lost by 22,000 votes That's like One tenth of one percent Less than that It's a tiny little thing 22,000 votes Spread over That spread over this period So

51 intelligence agents Lied They lied They lied They knew it was It was Hunter's It was from his bed It was Hunter's laptop They said it was created by Russia Russia, Russia, Russia It was the Russia hoax The Russia hoax was a big hoax It was all a big hoax So Well that's clear

That's one example

But that is a good example

But that's a big example

They say it made a 17 point difference That's a big example But that's only one And you could go into the ballots Where they wouldn't give you access to the ballots You could go into the ballot harvesting You could go into $500 million for the lock boxes

But just in terms of narrative So there's two things right There's the Russia hoax There's the collusion with Russia That was never proven Right?

That's one

Well it was proven it didn't happen Right Right

But they talked about it on television

But it took two and a half years to prove

But not only that But it was a constant narrative on television Sure That's a constant narrative That gets into people's minds Especially low information people That are just watching the news

Sure

That you're in collusion with Russia So that's one

Sure

So that changes the narrative And then you have The 51 former intelligence agents That work with the original Twitter And get them to remove links You can't share it on DMs You cannot share that story They swept that story Because they said it was Russian disinformation Even though they knew it was not 100% So that's two examples That are real examples Now anyone who considers himself A legitimate objective observer of American politics If you really want the best person to win

You would want people to not lie And the only reason why they got away with this lie Was because they continually labeled you As this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler They kept saying you were going to be a dictator Ignoring the fact that you weren't a dictator For the four years Where you were actually the president

I was actually the opposite of a dictator I was a very straight guy But look Those three things You take those three things Each one of them by themselves Causes the result to be different It does And then you can go into a hundred other things There are so many We can't have corrupt elections And we can't have open borders We need You need to have a country You need borders You need fair elections And I'll tell you the other thing you need Is you need a free and fair press One of the things I like about doing a show like this

Can you imagine Kamala doing this show?

I could imagine her doing this show

She'd be laying on the floor She was supposed to do it And she might still do it And I hope she does She's not going to do it I will talk to her like a human being I would try to have a conversation with her

If she did this kind of an interview with you I hope she does Because it would be a mess She'd be laying on the floor comatose You'd be saying Call in the medics

I think we'd have a fine conversation I think I'd be able to talk to her I wouldn't try to interview her I'd just try to have a conversation with her And hopefully get to know her as a human being That was my goal Having her on Trying to get her to express herself Just as a human I don't know if these I don't think these formats are good I don't think that two people First of all I hate the idea of the presidential debates Because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas Also you have to break

I think you have to have the debates Right

But the way they do the debates I think is the wrong way to do it I think they should have a conversation I think you and Kamala You sit across the table With no one in the room But the two of you Of course you're not going to shout each other Of course you're not going to insult each other

I mean it may get They used to do it that way

Hopefully it wouldn't But that would be the way to do it They used to do it that way In the old days To put cameras on you With no one interfering With checking Whether or not it's factual Especially when it's biased Because they checked you all those times And they didn't check her With clearly things that were inaccurate Right So have two people Just have a conversation with us Without a time constraint And also this idea They cut off the microphone

Well and no crowd

No crowd Crazy too Because you're good at working a crowd

I would rather have a crowd Of course you would You're good at crowds But I had no So they gave me an alternative I don't think you want to debate

Why did they want no crowd?

What was the argument?

Because I think they thought I wasn't going to accept it So I believe what they wanted to do Is have me not accept So they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse And I said I'll do it Okay It's like the mob Right I'll take it So they came to me They said We'll debate Joe Biden You know that thing Got tremendous ratings too That was crazy But we'll debate Joe Biden But you can't have a crowd They also wanted sitting down I said that's the only thing I said look You got to stand up You can't really sit down Right You know in the old days

They did sit down a little bit But He gets tired You got to stand up And they agreed to it It was a very tough thing It almost killed it They wanted to They wanted to have like desks We sit And they said I think we should stand up And that was the only thing I asked for I said we got to stand up I thought it looked bad For like the public But they said no crowd And cut off the mic And I said I can live with it I mean I can live with it And they thought I was going to reject it And then they would say He didn't want to debate

Sleepy Joe

Right

That's what they thought

Well they tried to say that With you and Kamala as well They tried to say that You didn't want to debate Her as well

No by the way with her Number one I'm leading Number two You know I didn't They also said it with the primary So I had

Like 10, 12 guys Right In the primary No stupid guys I mean you know They're governors And they're senators They're not stupid people Some are stupid But not all of them And All my guys said You have to be in the debate I said why I'm leading by 74 points The closest guy to me I'm like 60 points 70 points higher Why would I stand there Like an idiot for two hours And let every one of them Scream at me I'm going to be the focus Right And I said I'm not debating And it was a very smart thing Because you know

It was They just killed themselves

The Republican primaries

Yeah the Republican primaries

With I like debating I think you have to debate But I like debating

But it has to be fair

I like debating Like the Rosie O'Donnell debate I like debating When you have a credit Remember the Rosie O'Donnell

Yeah yeah yeah It was very funny

Megan Kelly

Crazy thing

Megan That was a hell of a question Man If I didn't come up With that answer

It was a great line

Well What it was is You know That was We had 28,000 people That was the Cleveland arena Where the Cavaliers played Right LeBron James I'm not a big fan of LeBron James But he is a good basketball player But you know That was the And when I said that The place went crazy And she kept talking No she had like 10 other

Yeah well Megan said You said it to other people And you admitted you did But it was funny It was a comedic time

It was fun

That's what they wanted

It was lucky I did it because She was drowned Oh she wasn't That question But she kept talking

Right But you couldn't hear

To this day They don't know what she said But it wasn't buzzing So anyway But we had a good time

It's comedic timing And that's the reason Why to have a debate In front of a large audience And then they probably Well how did I do With the Al Smith dinner

I got very good reviews

On that That was great Very funny Very funny stuff The Tim Walz stuff Was very funny Tim Walz yeah It's funny

That's a real beauty

That's a crazy one She said that she had picked him And this is one of the questions I want to ask her When she was sleep deprived She said she was suffering From sleep deprivation When she picked him Which is just like

Hey maybe take a nap So I was Okay look Let's see how it all turns out I think we're going to win I think we're way ahead now I think we're way ahead But But Can I bring you back To 2020 If they lose

Can I bring you back

I think They're going to look at Two things They're going to say They should have had a primary Even if it was a short primary

Yes

They shouldn't have picked her And then she's going to say I shouldn't have picked this guy

She shouldn't have picked that guy That guy's a disaster The lying about Tiananmen Square Everything Admitted that Yeah the military record Assistant coach Versus head coach She lied too

Little things So I did McDonald's last week I saw that And I actually got a call From your friends at Google From Sundar That's pretty good right He said This is the biggest thing We've had in years You at McDonald's At McDonald's Did you know that It was one of the

It was funny

Who's a great guy by the way But he said This McDonald's thing I want to tell you It's one of the biggest things We've ever had on Google It just hit But the reason I did And I actually You know you never know About this stuff I thought it was a throw away I didn't think Our conversation is a throw away But I thought that was I thought I'd walk in And that was only To highlight the fact And I have a friend He owns like 56 Of these McDonald's And he said Do you want to use one And I said Yeah I love it So we went there And the crowd was crazy You know they had 28,000 people Around the whole thing

Did you see the outside It was crazy The cars couldn't get through Secret service Was not exactly thrilled We had no idea What the hell But I went into the place And I did the french fry thing And it just hit But that's like in life Sometimes you do I thought it was like A quick throw away We're going to be there For 15 minutes Then I said I've worked here For 15 minutes Which is 15 minutes More than she worked here She lied about McDonald's And you know Is that proven That she never worked

At McDonald's 100%

Well McDonald's Has no information She has no information There's nobody The manager said She never worked there You know it was a certain place And he said They never No she lied She's a liar You know what they do They'll say like On any one of the questions Take any They'll say It's the exact opposite Of what I say IVF He's against IVF The fertilization Right He's And it's the exact opposite I was I came out immediately Strongly in favor And they do ads

I'm against it It's wrong On every single topic And you know She changed policies On 15 I've never seen a guy Change Anybody change On more than one You know You can maybe Get away with one Her whole life Fracking Every single thing That she was for The confiscation of guns She wants to confiscate Now she's saying Everybody should have a gun In fact we're going to Get her a MAGA cap I'm going to send her A MAGA cap But she's changed And I don't think People are buying it I don't think people

Are buying it

Well some people Are buying it Because they want to buy it Because it's blue No matter who There's a certain Percentage of our population That's going to vote Democrat No matter what That's true They're pressured Their community Their ideology It's Left is good Right is evil

I don't understand why Okay you have A wall Or you have You know I built 570 miles of wall Everyone said I built a lot of wall Exactly the stuff But you have A border What I don't understand Is who would want people To come into our country From places unknown Like sometimes They'll say about a fighter From parts unknown Right Remember Haystack Scalhoun From parts He's from parts The oldest Those are the oldest That's even before you But who would want people

To come in

Pouring into our country We don't know anything about them

But that's I want to ask you this Why do you think They're doing that I think because Do you think They're trying to buy votes Do you think They just want cheap labor Like what's the idea

Okay there's A couple of theories They hate our country They're stupid Or they want to buy votes It's one of those three things

Yeah

They want it Now they are trying To get people registered Who you know Don't even know What the country is

And they're trying To give people amnesty People that live here They're trying to give them Amnesty They want to give them

Citizenship And they want to Well how about

What happened If you think about The amount of money That they've given them When they've come here The food stamps The benefits That even our poor people Aren't getting

200 billion dollars And that's a way low number That's a way low You know it's interesting New York has always been like You know sort of like Always looking for money They've spent 100 billion dollars On this stuff I don't know where And they're not getting The money from The federal government It's crazy And because the mayor Came out and said We can't live like this

They investigated him

He gets By the way I called it I said he just got Himself indicted This group is stupid But they're vicious They're stupid people But they're vicious people The 2020 elections

You say you have All this evidence That it was rigged Why haven't you Put this evidence In a consumable form I did

Oh I did I have books on it And by the way Books have been Written on it

We have an author Named Hemingway Who is a great writer She wrote a book on it But many books Have been written on it There are books That are

What's happened is Judges don't want To touch it They would say You don't have standing They didn't rule On the merits They ruled The merits never got there The judges Didn't have What it took To turn over An election

Let's talk about The potential vulnerabilities For elections And election fraud One of them Is mail-in ballots The other one Is the If someone Can break into Voting machines If someone can Hack voting machines Those are two huge ones And what can be done

Elon Musk I think he said it publicly I hope he did Because I wouldn't want To be the one But he's a really Smart guy And he's a very good guy With computers Right You'd say He's one of the smartest People alive Anybody that can land That 20 story building And perfect And boom

While he's doing Starlink While he's doing Tesla While he owns Twitter And then he agrees

To Starlink And tweets 100 times a day He's an amazing guy Yeah He said to me That unless you have Paper ballots It can never be An honest election That's a big statement That's a big statement We should go to Paper ballots You know France did They went the mail-in voting And it was all Messed up You know the amazing thing With the machines So we have the machines They cost 10 times more Paper ballot Would cost 8% And they make Paper ballots They're all watermarked And everything else They're very sophisticated But if you take a look

Paper ballots It's 8% the cost And you're done By 9 o'clock In the evening Right Now we have These sophisticated machine It goes up to heaven It goes all over the place And down and around And they say We'll need two weeks To figure out Who the hell won the election

Do you think that's by design?

Yeah, I do I think it's Very crooked That's my opinion

You're allowed To have an opinion What could Let's say you win In November What can be done To mitigate these problems What could be done At a You know At the level That the president Has power

Well if I win That'll be This will be My last election But I think I owe it to the country Yeah

Yeah

But I think I owe it to the country We have to have fair elections So how can you fix that?

You know Jimmy Carter Was in charge of a commission You know That many years ago And they put him And Scoop Jackson And various senators You know Distinguished people That were retired And they came up With a report And the report's Primary finding was You cannot have Mail-in ballots Because if it's A mail-in ballot You know I went to the voting booth The last time Whatever it was And I walked in In Palm Beach And I walk in And they know me They say Mr. President Could I see your identity

Yes Boom Here's this Here's that Everything And then you sit And they watch you sign And you really There's not a lot You can do I mean if you wanted To be dishonest It's sort of beautiful

Right

If instead of that I'm going to send them A ballot Right It has to go through The postal services It has to go through A lot of people They mail you Houses that You know The house was demolished And the people have left And it's so bad The one thing With Jimmy Carter He had a very strong Commission No mail-in ballots And we're the only one That does elections This way anymore They've gotten away from them

And this is It ticked up in a big way After COVID It used to be like Soldiers serving overseas They used COVID to cheat Yeah Well they used COVID To certainly push This mail-in ballot Another thing

But they used COVID To cheat But here's another And the last election Was a little bit of a You couldn't even Get security guys Big strong guys To watch You know what You'd call them They'd call them They were afraid To go out You know We were in the middle Of COVID We were in the middle Of COVID Right smack in the middle And they didn't want to die You know They didn't want to catch it It was like In a way It was like a ghost town

And the whole thing But mail-in ballots Are a bad thing

That certainly is a problem Mail-in ballots are a problem Another problem is voter ID

A voter ID How about

Voter ID is the most bizarre argument That I've never seen anybody articulate In a way that's convincing Because they want to cheat Why you don't need voter Well it doesn't make sense Any other way I've tried to straw man it Or I've tried to steel man it Rather I've tried to like Look at it from a position Like why would you not Want people to have ID And a lot of the ideas Are just ridiculous You need an ID To get a driver's license

Okay but here's now The next step Gavin Newsom One of the worst governors In the world And I used to Frankly I used to get along But I don't get along With him Because he's just too You know it's just A whole con job But Gavin Newsom The other day Signed a bill That you are not Allowed to ask a person Even ask them Whether or not They have a voter ID

Now what could be A charitable reason Why anybody Would want that That would be the only Thing that makes sense

But that's taking it To the next level Right Now you know You have ID The Democrat National Convention When they had it The last time I saw They had a sign Like a billboard Or the name of the person Where they live How they live Who the hell Their boyfriends are Every single It was And a big picture That's for their They have an ID A big ID It was hanging Like you were a prisoner

They had these Massive cards Everything And yet when it Comes to the vote In theory The most important Thing we do Okay When you go to A grocery store You give ID But for a vote It's supposed to be A sacred thing And it should be A sacred thing No voter ID Because they want To cheat

Well it doesn't make sense In any other way I've tried to look At it There's no other way There's no argument That anybody's presented That makes any sense Why

You know the funny thing Joe The Democrats The people They all think You should have it In other words You should have it Yeah If you go to the people Mrs. Schwartz Mrs. Smith Mr.

Mrs. Jones Sure They say of course Yeah Democrats They say yes It's the politicians That don't want it Like Schumer And these guys They don't want it Because they want To be able to cheat Because you know what If they didn't have it Okay Who is going to vote For somebody That wants open borders Who's going to vote For somebody That wants to have Men playing in women's sports You know I have never had One person Come up to me And say President You've got to do something To allow men To play in women's sports Have you ever

Just like I've never been called By a pollster I told you My little theory On pollsters Okay I'm getting myself In trouble With some of these things But I don't really care Nobody's ever Come up to me And said We want to have Men playing women's sports And you know I had a funny thing At a property I own in California I have a woman Who's a very good athlete And she works there As a manager And Brian Urlacher The big Chicago Bears Great player You know Ten time all star

I guess Hall of Famer Great guy Big strong guy And she said Oh he's one of my Favorite athletes Can I have a picture And I took a picture And I sent it And I noticed She was the size of his leg His leg was bigger Than she was And I put it out Should men play in women's But the whole It was just so ridiculous

What's one of the most Bizarre and polarizing ideas That's promoted by the left

But who wants it Now Unless you're going to cheat In elections You're never going to get Nobody wants it Right I don't think anybody wants it I've never I've been told everything You know you can Some people want this

I don't know of anybody That wants open borders Nobody's ever come up to me And say President You've got to let the world Come into our country Right Now if they won So they have 21 million I think it's much higher Than that Because you have gotaways You know gotaways Where they just walk in They walk in And the other thing You have is human traffickers You have traffickers And they're trafficking women And they're going wild Now We used to You know where you have to look The trunk of cars Can you believe it They put women in trunks They'll put three women In a trunk These people are savages They're horrible

The worst people The human And they're making The kind of money They make on drugs They're almost making On trafficking now And the thing That's made it hot Is the internet That's what You know You think of it Almost as an ancient thing But it's the internet But who would want To have these things Who would want to have There's so many The transgender operations Where they're allowed To take your child When he goes to school And turn him into a male To a female Without parental consent Who wants this

Does anybody want this I've never heard of anyone And I can go into Ten different things The only way they get them Is by No voter ID You can't have voter ID They don't want any They want to cheat There's only one reason Because The voter ID Is so basic It's the most basic thing

It's very basic

Who would want this They want it so they can cheat Because their policies Are no good I'll tell you They're very smart When it comes to that They're very smart Although they're not smart In terms of Politics in a way Because What do they have That people want They really don't have They give away A lot of health care A lot of stuff But for the most part Their policies are terrible Their policy on military She's running on a tax hike She's going to raise your taxes You've got to hear this We are going to raise your taxes

And the people clap But who is going to win With her All my life I grew up With politicians Lower taxes

She's politicking that We are going to raise your taxes

Well they want to raise The idea is you want to raise The taxes to the highest earners I know but They think that millionaires And billionaires Are not paying their fair share But it doesn't work that way Well it's a narrative Right And it's a narrative That appeals to people That are not doing well And like yeah Our problems are These rich people Are not paying taxes

Well the problems Are the rich people Are going to leave And they're going to Close up their companies And then the other people Aren't going to have jobs You know that's what happens

It does happen in other countries

But the whole Because you brought it up I'll tell you what We just

He's doing a very good job In Virginia Glenn Youngkin I don't know if you like him Or not like him I don't know him But they Oh you don't know him The governor of Virginia

So we have a case Where they found Thousands of Of illegal ballots A judge just ruled That they have to be able To vote Just happened today Just before I walked in here I heard A judge just ruled That you have to Keep those people in They're illegal They're illegal votes Now I think They'll be overturned At the next court One thing I found Because I had a couple Of things That they get overturned A little bit You know the system Because the system You have to hope That the appellate judges

Are honest Otherwise we don't Have a country anymore It's very important But the whole thing With the legal ballots It's got to be looked at You got to have You have to have Voter ID And you have to have Additional ID You have to have An ID that shows That you're a citizen Of the country I agree They don't want that either

I agree One of the things That I want to talk To you about Is the JFK files And one of the things That you said Was that If they showed you What they showed me This is your quote You wouldn't want People to know it either

So I opened them up Partially

I was met with From good people I mean you know Look I've been good people People that were well meaning Mike Pompeo was one of them He's a good person

They called me They said Sir would rather Have you not After And I did open them But I was asked By some people Not to open them There's a Martin Luther King file too By the way That they'd like to see I don't know if you know But there is that

But JFK in particular So They called me A lot of good people Called me People that I You know That you would find Reasonable people And they asked me Not to do it So I said Well we'll close it For another time But If I win I'm going to open them up I'm just going to open Enough time

Why didn't you open it up The first time though Because a lot of times What was the hesitation though

Addresses People that are still living There are people That are affected

And there could be Some national security reason That for You know That I don't have to Necessarily know about But some very good Talented people Asked me not to do it I opened it up And then they said Would it be possible For us to do that A different day

How much of it Did you read into

I think it's going to be Just fine to open it Let me put it that way I think it's fine It's going to be time It's a cleansing You know It's really a cleansing So I'm going to do it I'm going to do it Immediately Almost immediately Upon entering office

Well the thing When people look at it From the outside And you sort of imagine What could be a reason Why they would not Release those files It would be There's people That were implicated In the assassination Yeah

Well when there are Living people You generally tend Not to want to do it When people are still living

Living people that Formerly worked For the government

For the government And living people That were somehow Involved in it And you tend not To do that But it's time To open them

I can't tell you Whether or not They're going to find Anything of interest And I did partially open I think I've opened 50% But I was asked Not to do it And I thought That was a reasonable ask But now I'm going to do it I'm going to do it Very soon There's a lot of interest In it One of the things That I'm very There's a lot of interest In the people Coming from space You know

Yes

And I know you're Interested in that

Oh very interested in that How much do they tell you About that A lot Really Yeah What did they tell you How much can you tell So I How does that work Is it like super top secret I think I can tell Tell me

Well based on Hunter Biden I can say whatever The hell I want But no But I interviewed A few people It's never been my thing I have to be honest I have never been a believer I have people that Area 51 Or whatever it is I think it's the number one Tourist attraction In the whole country Or something Area 51 Do you know that right Sure I know what it is So anyway But it's a big tourist thing So I interviewed jet pilots

That say they saw something If you saw them You'd love to have them

I've had a couple in here Commander David Fravor Yeah I had him in Who had that sighting In 2004 Very very compelling With visual Video evidence Radar evidence Brian Graves

I don't believe his name But I interviewed Jet pilots That Were solid people Perfect I mean great pilots Great everything And they said We saw things sir That

Were very strange Like a round ball But it wasn't a comet Or a meteor It was something And It was going four times faster Than an F-22 Which is a very fast plant You know And it was round

Which is in theory A great shape

So when you were Talking to these people Was Was this something That you were compelled To have conversations about Was this your personal interest A little bit

It's not a great interest for me But it's a little interest I get that question As much as Almost any question Do you think That we have aliens Coming You know Flying around Or whatever What do you think

There's no reason Not to I mean there's no reason Not to think that Mars And all these planets Don't have life You know Because

Well Mars We've had probes there And rovers And I don't think There's any life there

Well maybe it's life That we don't know But maybe it's

Well maybe there was life There at one point in time This is a speculation About Mars That Mars had An atmosphere At one point in time A long time ago That could support life It also had large bodies Of water But we've had no evidence Of even bacterial life That exists on Mars But the universe Is pretty vast It's not been a big thing

For me I mean when I looked At what China did To this They would have never Done it with me Where they put the balloon up And a lot of people And a lot of people Thought for a little while That that was One of these things

Well that's a lot Of the speculation too That some of these drones That hover over battleships That these are Chinese drones And that they're not UFOs They could be also There's some super sophisticated

But I did interview

Let's say three or four guys That And without tremendous interest If you had them As I said You'd love to have me As your children Solid Beautiful people They said sir There's something there You know they've There's something there Yeah

Yeah I've talked to quite a few

They're not conspiracy guys

Well I mean Just the Commander David Fravor thing In 2004 Off the coast of San Diego They clocked that thing Going from 50,000 feet Above sea level To 50 in a second Yeah They don't know what it is

That's tough to beat

Yeah They saw something In the water It was hovering over That something That was making a disturbance In the water They got video evidence Of this thing Two different fighter jets With pilots in them Saw it There's you know Visual evidence Photographic evidence Video evidence Radar evidence Whatever the hell it is It moves in a way That would turn a human being Into jello If they were inside of it The G-Force No one would survive Oh

So like what is that

And we don't It doesn't have A heat signature They don't know What their propulsion system was But When you fly In some of these jets

These pilots Have to be in great shape

Oh yeah I flew with the Blue Angels once

Yeah Yeah I got to fly

I guess it's an F-A-18

And those are older machines And they're crazy When you fly in some of these things

Oh my god It's amazing Yeah Yeah I can imagine

You gotta be special

But these things But these things That these people Are encountering Are far superior To what we know of Yeah Is it possible That there's some Military or government Program that you weren't That they didn't tell you about

I think I had a great relationship With the military basically But you know I didn't like certain people I would have gotten them out If I thought If I were If the election was different I would have fired You know All of them quickly Most of them I did fire Biden should have fired Every military person Involved with Afghanistan He should have had A lot of firings You know If you look at him He told Israel Not to do anything At least Israel Is not going to Looking at a bomb The way they would have been Think if they listened to Biden They'd be waiting for a bomb

To drop on their head Right now

He's been wrong about so much I guess you'd have to say That she's been wrong too Because you know They She always said They made the decision together But

Israel didn't follow His advice And I think It was a very You know It's a very The Middle East Is rapidly changing You know There are

Prophets that say The world will come To an end In the Middle East You know that Right And we have Weapons today That are so scary When you look I rebuilt them all And when you look At the weapons We have today The biggest threat We have in the world Today is Nuclear weapons And we have other Weapons too That are devastated But the nuclear weapons The biggest threat We have in the world Today And that's what You I was talking about De-escalation With both China And Russia

I'm telling you We were going to De-escalate They were going to De-escalate You got to be careful It's a little tricky Playing with them Because they say We're going to do it And they don't do it Maybe But they understood The curse too It's a curse It's China's way behind us But they'll catch us Within five years

So let's imagine Let's say you win In November What do you do differently And how do you change This course That it seems We are on For World War III How do you get us Out of Ukraine How do you stop What's going on In the Middle East How do you put a stop To this

Well it's It's a very To me it's an easy question Because I think I can do it easily But it's a complex question In the sense that The times change Every day changes

Who's winning Who's not winning I mean Russia's a war machine Whether you like it Or not It just grinds along Grinds along You speak to people Like Viktor Orban He'll tell you It's just a big Fat war machine And that's what's happening You look at what's Happened to Ukraine

If I were there It would have never happened But what could you do now

If you get into office In January What could you do now

Right now You would get both of them I know both very well And again I cannot I do not want to tell you You know for the purpose Of looking smart To five people That you know That say oh he was great Because if I told you Exactly what I do I could never make the deal All I can tell you Is that I would meet with Putin And I would meet with him And I know exactly What I'd say To each one of them And I believe That as president elect I would get that war Stopped And stopped fast

You know We have tremendous power In the United States If you know how to use the power I stopped other wars Just by the use of tariffs I got Macron of France Good guys Like a friend of mine But he's a wise guy And he's a person That likes France And he was going to Tax our companies I say And I sent all the smartest guys I sent Mnuchin They all failed me And I said I'll do it myself And I called him I said Emmanuel You're taxing American companies We're not going to allow you To do that

Oh Donald I cannot do it Nothing I can do It's already been passed I said Emmanuel If you do that I'm going to put A hundred percent tariff When your wines and champagnes Are coming to the United States And you're going to regret That you ever did it He said Donald please That's not fair Anyway Within about two minutes He dropped the whole thing And it was massive amounts of money Against American companies I have to protect American companies So why doesn't Why did the Biden administration Do this Because they're incompetent They don't know how to talk Look They met in Alaska

With The Chinese And the Chinese Lectured them About How badly We treat people Right Okay I mean Think of it You remember that It was like They didn't talk to me That way They never They respected me They respected Our country They don't respect Our country They don't respect Biden They don't respect Her They're dreaming About her Because she's incompetent She's not a smart person Look She can't put

Two sentences together She talks I watch her two nights I watched her last night too It was the same thing She's not a smart person These guys are very smart And they're very streetwise And they're very tricky And evil And dangerous And if she becomes The president of the United States Which I can't believe Can happen

I don't think This country Is going to make it I don't think We'll ever be

I think I think Just really bad things Will happen to our country And you know what I look at the outside forces And I say They can all be handled Because we have A pot of gold But we're not going to have That pot of gold To play with anymore You know It's a great Negotiating thing I told you I knocked out This massive car company Going to take all All of our car business From Detroit I knocked it out Just by my rhetoric Rhetorically I said They'll never sell a car In here I'll put tariffs I don't care They're 2,000%

They're never going to Build that plant

Is it possible To apply that same thing To the electronics That we use One of the things That disturbs me greatly Is that all of our phones Are made overseas And then some of our phones Are made in places

And the chips

Yes And the chips And some of our phones Are made in places Like Foxconn Where they have nets Around the building To keep people From jumping off the roof Because they have So many suicides Like wouldn't it be better To have an American Made iPhone Where you know People are paid Good wages They have health insurance They're taken care of They can live a good life Where you're not Buying a piece Of electronics That's cheaper Because someone Has to suffer In a horrible way That's not even legal In the United States It's not even legal To have them work That way in the United States So they get these people To build them overseas

You do it But let me just That chip deal Is so bad We put up billions Of dollars For rich companies To come in And borrow the money And build chip companies here And they're not going To give us The good companies anyway All you had to do Is charge them tariffs If you would have Put a tariff On the chips coming in You would have been able To Just like the auto companies No different More sophisticated But no different You know Taiwan They stole our chip business Okay

They want us to protect And they want protection They don't pay us money For the protection You know The mob makes you pay money Right But with these countries That we protect I got hundreds of billions Of dollars From NATO countries That were never paying us And my biggest fan Is Stoltenberg Who just left As the You know Director general As the secretary general Good guy He said Bush came He made a speech Obama came He made a speech Trump came He said You guys aren't paying You got to pay And they said

Will you protect us From Russia If we don't I said No You got to pay If you don't pay Billions of dollars Came in To NATO When I see us Paying a lot of money To have people Build That's not the way You didn't have to Put up 10 cents You could have done it With a series of tariffs In other words You tariff it so High That they will come And build Their chip companies For nothing In other words Joe You put a big tariff On the chips Coming in I say You don't have to Pay the tariff

All you have to do Is build your plant In the United States We didn't have to Give them the money To build a plant Besides that They're very rich companies These chip companies They stole They stole 95% Of our business It's in Taiwan Right now They do a great job But that's only Because we have Stupid politicians We lost the chip business And now we think We're going to pay You can't build it that way You have to make them Spend their money In the United States And those plants Would open up All over And they'll fund them We don't have to Put up 10 cents

And I am in the process Of making a huge speech In about a little while And you and I How long have we been talking A long time Let's go

Probably like three hours

I got to make a speech All right But we'll do it again I want to do it again I want to do it again with you You are something Thank you very much I said how long will this last Anywhere from an hour To three or four hours

How long will we do it Jamie?

Three hours

Good Well we'll do it again I thought it was great I think it's

I think it was great It was a lot of fun

You are a fascinating guy Thank you And you've done a great job Thank you very much I'm a big fan And thank you very much It's been an honor

It's been an honor To have you on as well

I'm going to make a great speech And I'm going to say And if I'm a little off tonight I'm going to blame you

I spoke to this guy

For three hours Anyway It's a great honor to be Thank you sir With you Thank you Good luck to you Thank you very much Thank you Appreciate it

Bye everybody