Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon Musk

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What are what Jeff Bezos is doing?

Definitely doing some testosterone.

He looks jacked.

He looks jacked, right?

Yeah, but he's like...

Quick.

Quick.

Quick.

He got jacked quick.

At age 59 in less than a year,

he went from pencil net geek to looking like The Rock.

Yeah, like a little miniature alpha fella.

Yeah, like his neck got bigger than his head.

Yeah, he got big quick.

But then his earlier pictures, his neck's like a noodle.

I support this activity.

I want to see him going in this direction.

Which is fine, and his voice dropped like two octaves.

I want you to move in that direction as well.

I think we can achieve this.

I mean, I should.

I think we can achieve Giga Chad.

That's what Beeple called it.

Where is that guy?

Beeple?

I don't know where he is.

That's like a real guy.

The artist?

Yeah.

Oh, Giga Chad.

Oh, Giga Chad.

Yeah, I don't know if that's a real guy.

It's hard to tell.

No, no, it is a real guy.

It is a real guy?

Yeah.

He's got the crazy jaw and perfect sculpted hair.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, they may have exaggerated a little bit, but...

Probably.

But, no, I think he actually just kind of looked like that in reality.

Wow.

So, like he's a pretty unique looking individual.

I think we can achieve this.

That guy right there?

Yeah, that's a real guy.

That's a real dude.

I always thought that was CGI.

No, I think the upper right one is not him.

That's not him.

That one to the left of that?

Like, that's real?

No, that's artificial, bro.

That's fake.

That's got that uncanny valley feel to it.

Doesn't it?

It's not impossible.

No.

No, it's not possible to achieve, but it's not possible to maintain that kind of leanness.

No, no.

That's a crazy leanness.

That's like, you're also, at that point, he's dehydrating and all sorts of things.

Oh, it's based on a real person.

Yeah, yeah.

Based on a real person.

Right, but it's not a real person.

What does he really look like?

Those images, I think, are bullshit.

Some of them are.

Is that real?

Okay, that looks real.

That looks like a really jack bodybuilder.

Yeah.

Yeah, that looks real.

Like, that's achievable, but there's a few of those images where you're just like, what's going on here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Totally.

Well, I mean, you see it?

Is that the...

That's the real dude.

Well, there's that Icelandic dude who's Thor.

Oh, yeah.

The guy who jumps into the frozen lakes and shit.

Well, the guy who played the mountain.

Oh, that guy.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That is like a mutant strong human.

Yes.

Yeah.

Like, he would be in like the X-Men or something, you know?

We were hanging out.

I mean, he's just like not like a...

And there's that...

You know that...

I've seen that meme, tent and tent bag?

No.

You know how like it's like, it's really hard to get the tent and tent in the tent?

Oh, right, right.

That's true.

And there's a picture of him and his girlfriend.

Oh, right.

Tent bag.

That's hilarious.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's his wife.

I don't know how it gets in there, you know?

It's like, it seems too small, but...

I met Brian Shaw.

Brian Shaw is like the world's most powerful man.

And he's almost seven feet tall.

He's 400 pounds.

And his bone density is one in 500 million people.

So there's one...

Wow.

It's like there's like maybe 16 people.

Really dense bones?

He's an enormous human being.

Okay.

Like a legitimate giant.

Just like that guy.

Yeah, yeah.

But we met him.

He was hanging out with us in the green room of the mothership.

But it's like, okay, if this was like David and Goliath days, like this is an actual giant.

Like the giants of the Bible.

Once in a while, they get a super giant person.

This is a real one.

Like not a tall, skinny basketball player.

Yeah, yeah.

Like a seven foot, 400 pound power lifter.

Like you don't want to...

Especially...

Look at him.

That's the guy.

See if there's a photo of him standing next to like a regular human.

There it is.

Yeah.

That's him right there.

Like there's like one of him next to standing next to Arnold and stuff.

Yeah.

And it's where...

And Arnold...

Everyone just looks tiny.

I mean, I think he's a pretty cool dude actually.

Oh, Brian's very cool.

Very smart too.

Yeah, yeah.

Unusually.

You know, you expect anybody to be that big.

It's got to be a moron.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

There's Andre the Giant who was awesome.

Yeah.

He was great in Princess Bride.

No, he was just awesome period.

Yeah, yeah.

So we were talking about this interview with Sam Altman and Tucker.

And I was like, we should probably just talk about this on the air.

Because it is one of the craziest interviews I think I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah.

Where Tucker starts bringing up this guy who was...

Yeah, a whistleblower or whatever.

A whistleblower who, you know, committed suicide but doesn't look like it.

And he's talking to Sam Altman about this.

And Sam Altman's like, are you accusing me?

He's like, no, no, no.

I'm not.

I'm just saying.

I think someone killed him.

Yeah.

And should be investigated.

Yeah.

Not just drop the case.

It seems like...

They just dropped the case.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It seems like...

But his parents think he was murdered.

Yeah.

The wires to a security camera were cut.

Blood in two rooms.

Blood in two rooms.

Someone else's wig was in the room.

Someone else's wig.

Wig.

Wig.

Yes.

Not normal.

Not his wig.

Not normal to have a wig laying around.

Yes.

And he ordered DoorDash right before allegedly committing suicide.

Yeah.

Which seems unusual.

You know?

Yeah.

It's like, you know, I'm going to order pizza on Second Thoughts.

I'll kill myself.

It seems like that's a very rapid change in mindset.

It's very weird.

And especially the parents have...

They don't believe he committed suicide at all.

Has no note or anything.

No.

Yeah.

It seems pretty fucked up.

And, you know, the idea that a whistleblower for an enormous AI company that's worth billions of dollars might get whacked, that's not outside the pale.

I mean, it's straight out of a movie.

Right out of a movie.

But right out of a movie is real sometimes.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

It's like, it's a little weird that I think they should do a proper investigation.

Like, what's the downside on that proper investigation?

Right.

No.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah, yeah.

But the whole exchange is so bizarre.

Yeah, yeah.

It is.

Sam Altman's reaction to being accused of murder is bizarre.

Look, I don't know if he's guilty, but it's not possible to look more guilty.

So I'm like...

Or look more weird.

Yeah.

You know, maybe it's just his social thing.

Like, maybe he's just odd with confrontation and it just goes blank.

You know?

But if somebody was accusing me of killing Jamie, like if Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie got whacked, and then I'd be like, wait, what are you...

What are you...

Are you accusing me of killing my friend?

Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

I would be a little bit more irate.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

You know, it'd be...

I would be a little upset.

Yeah, it'd be like...

Well, you'd certainly insist on a thorough investigation.

Yeah.

As opposed to trying to sweep it under the rug.

Yeah, I wouldn't assume that he committed suicide.

I would be suspicious.

If Tucker was telling me that aspect of the story, I'd be like, that does seem like a murder.

Fuck.

We should look into this.

I mean, all signs point to it being a murder.

Not saying, you know, Sam Altman had anything to do with the murder, but...

Blood in two rooms.

But blood in two rooms.

Like, yeah.

There's...

Look, it could be...

The wire is the security camera and the door dash being ordered right before suicide.

No suicide note.

His parents think he was murdered.

And the people that I know who knew him said he was not suicidal.

So I'm like, why would you jump to the conclusion?

My parents just sued the landlord.

Uh...

Landlord?

They sued the son's landlord.

Alleged the owners and the managers of their son's San Francisco apartment building were part of a widespread cover-up of his death.

The landlord?

Yeah, there's a bunch of weird...

They said there was, like, packages missing from the building.

Some people said they saw packages still being delivered, and then all of a sudden they all disappeared.

Huh.

A few different reasons.

But that could be...

People steal people's packages all the time.

The porch pirate situation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It says they failed to safeguard...

Also, I mean, the amount of trauma those poor parents have gone through with their son dying like that.

I mean, it must...

God bless them.

And how could they stay sane after something like that?

They're probably...

They're so grief-stricken.

Who knows what they believe at this point?

Yeah.

He should have asked if Epson killed himself.

Yeah.

That's the Cash Patel thing with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino when they were trying to convince everybody of that.

Like, okay.

The guards weren't there, and the camera stopped working, and, you know...

The guards were asleep.

The cameras weren't working.

He had a giant steroided-up bodybuilder guy that he was sharing a cell with that was a murderer who was a bad cop.

Like, all of it's kind of nuts.

Yeah.

All of it's kind of nuts.

Like, that he would just kill himself rather than reveal all of his billionaire friends.

Yeah.

And then...

Did you see Tim Dillon talking to Chris Cuomo about this?

I did.

Chris Cuomo just looked so stupid.

Tim just listed off all the...

Tim just...

And he's like, I agree.

It is strange.

Like, of course it's strange, Chris.

Jesus Christ.

You can't just go with the tide.

You got to think things through.

And if you think that one through, you're like, I don't think he killed himself.

Nobody does.

You don't have to work for an intelligence agency to think he killed himself.

It does seem unlikely.

It seems highly unlikely.

Highly, highly unlikely.

All roads point to murder.

Yes.

Point to they had to get rid of him because he knew too much.

Whatever the fuck he was doing, whatever kind of an asset he was, whatever thing he was up to, you know, was apparently very effective.

Yes.

And a lot of people were compromised.

You see, your boy Bill Gates is now saying climate change is not a big deal.

Like, relax, everybody.

I know I scared the fuck out of you for the last decade and a half, but, eh, we're going to be fine.

I mean, you know, as I was saying just before coming into the studio, you know, like every day there's some crazy, wild new thing that's happening.

It feels like reality is accelerating.

It's every day.

And every day it's like more and more ridiculous to the point where the simulation is more and more undeniable.

Yeah, yeah.

It really feels like simulation.

You know, it's like, come on.

What are the odds that this could be the case?

Are you paying attention at all to 3i Atlas?

Are you watching that?

Oh, there's the comet?

Yeah.

Whatever it is.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, one thing I can say is like, look, if I was aware of any evidence of aliens, Joe, you have my word, I will come on your show and I will reveal it on the show.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's a good deal.

Yeah, it's a pretty good deal.

I believe you.

Yeah, thank you.

Appreciate that.

I'll stick to it.

I keep my promises.

All right.

I'll hold you to that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't.

And I'm never committing suicide, to be clear.

I don't think you would either.

Also, on camera, guys, I am never committing suicide, ever.

If someone says you committed suicide, I will fight tooth and nail.

Thank you.

I will fight tooth and nail.

I will not believe it.

I will not believe it.

But the thing about the three-eye atlas is, it's weird.

That's a hell of a name, actually.

Yeah.

It's a third interstellar.

It sounds like third eye or something.

Yeah, it does.

Three eye is a third.

It's only the third interstellar object that's detected.

Okay.

Yeah.

Avi Loeb.

Yeah.

I have to do it all.

I have to do it.

Yeah.

Avi Loeb was on the podcast a couple days ago talking about it.

Yeah.

It could be on this.

I don't know.

But I- Apparently, today, they're saying that it's changed course.

Did you see that, Jamie?

No.

Avi Loeb said something today.

I'll send it to you.

I know it's on Reddit.

Here you go, Jamie.

I'll send it to you right now.

It's fascinating.

It's fascinating also because it's made almost entirely of nickel, whatever it is.

Yeah.

And the only way that exists here is industrial alloys, apparently.

No, there are definitely comets and asteroids that are made primarily of nickel.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

So, the places where you mine nickel on Earth is actually where there was an asteroid, a comet that hit Earth that was a nickel-rich, you know, aspect.

Wow.

Nickel-rich meteorite.

Nickel-rich deposit?

Yeah.

It's coming.

Those are from impacts.

You definitely didn't want to be there at the time because anything would have been obliterated.

Right.

But that's where the sources of nickel and cobalt are these days.

So, this is Avi Loeb.

A few hours ago, the first hint of non-gravitational acceleration that something other than gravity is affecting its acceleration, meaning something is affecting its trajectory beyond gravity was indicated.

Interesting.

Dun-dun-dun.

So, it's mostly nickel, very little iron, which he was saying is, on Earth, it only exists in alloys.

But whatever, you know, you're dealing with another planet.

There are cases where there's very nickel-rich asteroids, meteorites, that have it hit Earth.

And that's what it means for something from space.

Yeah.

Yeah, it doesn't mean it's...

It'll be a very sort of heavy spaceship to make it all out of nickel.

Oh, yeah.

And fucking huge.

The size of Manhattan and all nickel, that's kind of nuts.

Yeah.

That's a heavy spaceship.

That's a real problem if it hits.

Yes.

No, it would, like, obliterate a continent type of thing.

Yeah.

Maybe worse.

It'll probably kill most of human life.

If not all of us.

It depends on what the total mass is, but there's...

I mean, the thing is, like, in the fossil record, there are, you know, there's, like, arguably five major extinction events, like the biggest one of which is the Permian extinction, where almost all life was eliminated.

That actually occurred over several million years.

There's the Jurassic.

I think Jurassic is...

I think that one's pretty definitively an asteroid.

Um, and, um, but there's been five major extinction events, but, um, but what they don't count are really the ones that merely take out a continent.

So the...

Merely?

Yeah, because those don't really show up on the fossil record, you know?

Right.

Um, so unless it's enough to cause a, you know, mass extinction event throughout Earth, it doesn't show up on, you know, in a fossil record that's, uh, 200 million years old.

Um, so the, uh, yeah.

But there have been many, um, many impacts that would have sort of destroyed all life on, you know, let's say half of North America or something like that.

There have been many such impacts through the course of history.

Yeah.

And there's nothing we can do about it right now.

Yeah.

There was one that, um, hits, there was a one that hit Siberia and destroyed, I think, um, a few hundred square miles.

Oh, that's the Tunguska.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the one from the 1920s, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the one that coincides with that meteor, that, uh, comets storm that we go through every June and every November that they think is responsible for that Younger Dryas impact.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All that shit's crazy.

Um, thank you, before we go any further, for letting us have a tour of SpaceX.

You're welcome.

And letting us be there for the rocket launch.

Sure.

One of the absolute coolest things I've ever seen in my life.

And we, we, we were, we thought it was only like, I thought it was a half a mile.

Jamie's like it was a mile away.

Turned out it's almost two miles away.

Yeah, yeah.

And you feel it in your chest.

Yeah.

It's very intense.

You have to wear earplugs and you feel it in your chest and it's two miles away.

Yeah.

It was fucking amazing.

Yeah.

And then to go with you up into the command center and to watch all the Starlink satellites with all the different cameras and all in real time as it made its way all the way to Australia, how many minutes?

Like 35, 40 minutes?

Yeah.

Wild.

Watch it touchdown in Australia.

Yeah.

Fucking crazy.

It was amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

Absolutely amazing.

The Starship's awesome.

And anyone can go watch the launch actually.

So you can just go to South Padre Island and get as great view of the launch.

So it's like where a lot of spring breakers go.

So, but we'll be flying pretty frequently out of Starbase in South Texas and we formally incorporated it as a city.

So it's actually a legally, an actual legal city, Starbase, Texas.

It's not that often you hear like, hey, we made a city, you know?

That used to be like, like in the old days, like a startup would be, you go and gather a bunch of people and say, hey, let's go make a town.

Literally.

Right.

That was like, that would have been startups in the old days.

Or a country.

Yeah, or a country.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, actually.

If you tried doing that today, there'd be a real problem.

Yeah.

Like maybe something like- There's so much set in stone on the country front these days.

You might be able to pull it off.

You might be able to pull it off.

If you've got a solid island, you might be able to pull it off.

You know?

Probably.

You know, like, Larry Ellison owns Lanai.

Yeah, you could probably-

Is this it right here?

If you put enough effort into it, you could make a new country.

This is one of the different ones.

This is one of the ones that you catch.

Right?

Or is that one- Yeah, that's the booster.

So that's the super heavy booster.

So that's one with- The booster's got 33 engines.

That, and it's, you know, by version four, that will have about 10,000 tons of thrust.

You know, right now, it's about 7,000, 8,000 tons of thrust.

But that's the largest flying object ever made.

I had to explain to someone.

They were going, why do they blow up all the time if you're so smart?

Because there was this fucking idiot on television.

Some guy was being interviewed, and they were talking about you.

And he goes, oh, I think he's a fuckwit.

And he goes, he's a fuckwit.

And he goes, why do you say he's a fuckwit?

Oh, his rockets keep blowing up.

And someone said, yeah, well, why do his rockets blow up?

And I had to explain.

Yeah.

Because it's the only way you find out what the tolerances are.

You have to-

You have to explore the corners of the box.

So when you do a new rocket development program, you have to do what's called exploring the limits, the corners of the box, where you say it's like worst case this, worst case that, to figure out where the limits are.

So you blow up.

Admittedly, in the development process.

It sometimes blows up accidentally.

But we intentionally subject it to a flight regime that is much worse than what we expect in normal flight, so that when we put people on board or valuable cargo, it doesn't blow up.

So, for example, for the flight that you saw, we actually deliberately took heat shield tiles off of Starship in some of the worst locations to say, okay, if we lose a heat shield tile here, is it catastrophic or is it not?

And nonetheless, Starship was able to do a soft landing in the Indian Ocean just west of Australia.

And it got there from Texas in, like, I don't know, 35, 40 minutes type of thing.

So it landed even though you put it through this situation where it has compromised shield.

It had an unusually – we brought it in hot, like an extra hot trajectory with missing tiles to see if it would still make it to a soft landing, which it did.

Now, I should point out, it did have – there were some holes that were burnt into it.

But it was robust enough to land despite having some holes burnt into it, you know, that – yeah.

Because it's coming in like a blazing meteor.

You can see the real-time video.

Well, tell me the speed again because the speed was bananas.

You were talking about –

Yeah, it's like 17,000 miles an hour.

Which is – I'll call it like 25 times the speed of sound or thereabouts.

So the – so think about it like it's like 12 times faster than a bullet from an assault rifle.

You know, a bullet from an assault rifle is around Mach 2.

And it's huge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or if you compare it to like a bullet from a, you know, a.45 or 9mm, which is subsonic, that's – you know, it'll be about 30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun.

30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun and it's the size of a skyscraper.

Yes.

Yeah.

That's fast.

It's so wild.

It's so wild to see, man.

It's so exciting.

The factory is so exciting too because like genuinely, no bullshit, I felt like I was witnessing history.

I felt like it was a scene in a movie where someone had expectations and they go, what are they doing?

They're building rockets and you go there.

And as we were walking through, Jamie, you can speak to this too.

Didn't you have the feeling where you're like, oh, this is way bigger than I thought it was.

This is huge.

It's awesome.

It's gigantic.

Fucking crazy.

That's what she said.

The amount of rockets you're making.

I mean, I don't know if you could- Tent back.

Giga Chad in the house.

This is way bigger than I thought it was.

It's a giant metal dick.

You're fucking the universe with your giant metal dick.

That's what it is.

I mean, yeah, it is very big.

And the sheer numbers of them that you guys are making.

And then this is a version and you have a new updated version that's coming soon.

And what is the difference?

It's a little longer.

More pointy?

It's the same amount of pointy.

But it's got a bit more length.

The interstage, you see that interstage section with kind of like the grill area?

Mm-hmm.

That's now integrated with the boost stage.

So we do what's called hot staging.

Where we light the ship engines while it's still attached to the booster.

So the booster engines are still thrusting.

It's still being pushed forward by the booster of the ship.

But then we light the ship engines.

And the ship engines actually pull away from the booster.

Even though the booster engines are still firing.

Whoa.

So it's blasting flame through that grill section.

But we integrate that grill section into the boost stage with the next version of the rocket.

And the next version of the rocket will have the Raptor 3 engines, which are a huge improvement.

You may have seen them in the lobby.

Yeah.

Because we've got like the Raptor 1, 2, and 3.

And you can see the dramatic improvement in simplicity.

We should probably put a plaque there to also show how much we reduce the weight, the cost, and improve the efficiency and the thrust.

So the Raptor 3 has almost twice the thrust of Raptor 1.

Wow.

So you see Raptor 3, it looks like it's got parts missing, right?

And how many of them?

It's very, very clean.

How many of them are on the rocket?

There's 33 on the booster.

Whoa.

And each Raptor engine is producing twice as much thrust as all four engines on a 747.

Wow.

So that engine is smaller than a 747 engine, but it's producing almost 10 times the thrust of a 747 engine.

Wow.

So extremely high power to weight ratio, and there's 33 of them.

So when you're designing these, you get to Raptor 1, you see its efficiency, you see where you can improve it, you get to Raptor 2.

How far can you scale this up with just the same sort of technology, with propellant and ignition and engines?

Like how much further can you?

We're pushing the limits of physics here.

So, and really, in order to make a fully reusable orbital rocket, which no one has succeeded in doing yet, including us,

but Starship is the first time that there is a design for a rocket where full and rapid reusability is actually possible.

So it was not, there's not even been a design before where it was possible.

So it was certainly not a design that got, made any hardware at all.

We just live, we live on a planet where the gravity is quite high.

Like Earth's gravity is quite, really quite, quite high.

And if the gravity was even 10 or 20% higher, we'd be stuck on Earth forever.

Really?

Like we, yeah, we could not use, certainly couldn't use conventional rockets.

You'd have to like blow yourself off the surface with like a nuclear bomb or something crazy.

So on the other hand, if Earth's gravity was just a little lower, like even 10, 20% lower, then getting to orbit would be easy.

So it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like if this was a video game, it's set to like maximum difficulty, but not impossible.

Okay.

So that's, that's where we have here.

So it's, it's not as though others have ignored the concept of reusability.

They've just concluded that it was too difficult to achieve.

And we've been working on this for a long time at, at SpaceX.

And, you know, I'm the chief engineer of the company.

Although I should say that, that, you know, we're an extremely talented engineering team.

I think we've got the best rocket engineering team that has ever been assembled.

It's, it's an honor to work with such, such incredible people.

Um, so, uh, so, so, so it's fair to say that, uh, you know, we, we have not yet succeeded in creating, in achieving full reusability, but we at last have a rocket, uh, where full reusability is possible.

Um, and I think, I think we'll achieve it next year.

So, um, uh, that's, uh, that's a really big deal.

And the reason, the reason that's, that's such a big deal is that full reusability, um, uh, drops the cost of access to space by a hundred, um, maybe even more than a hundred, actually.

So it could be like a thousand that you can think about like any mode of transport.

Like imagine if aircraft were, were not reusable, like you flew somewhere, you have to throw the plane out.

Like, like imagine if, like the way, the way conventional rockets work is it would be like if you had an airplane and, and, and instead of landing at your destination, you parachute out, um, and the plane crashes somewhere and you landed your, and you, and you landed a parachute at your destination.

And that'd be a very expensive trip.

And you'd need another plane to get back.

Okay.

Um, but that's how the other rockets in the world work.

Um, now the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one that is, is there's a, that is at least mostly reusable.

You've seen, you've seen the Falcon rocket, you know, land, it would now done over 500 landings of the SpaceX rocket, of the Falcon iron rocket.

Um, and, um, and, and this year, uh, you know, we'll, we'll deliver probably, I don't know, somewhere between 2,200 and 2,500 tons to orbit.

Um, with, with the, with the Falcon nine, uh, Falcon heavy rockets, uh, not counting anything from Starship.

Um, and this is mostly Starlink?

Yes.

Mostly Starlink, but we launched, uh, many other, we even launched our competitors on, um, competitors to Starlink on, on, on Falcon nine.

We charged on the same price, pretty fair.

Um, uh, but, uh, SpaceX this year will deliver, um, roughly 90% of all earth mass to orbit.

Wow.

Um, and then of the remaining 10%, um, most of that is done by China.

And then the, then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is, uh, everyone else in the world, including our, our American, uh, domestic competitors.

You know, um, it's kind of incredible how many things are in space.

Like how many things are floating above us now.

There's a lot of things.

Yeah.

Is there, is there a saturation point where we're going to have problems with all these different satellites that are, um, I think as long as the satellites are, um, maintained, uh, there's, there, it'll be fine.

This, it's, space is very roomy.

Um, it's, it's like, you can think of, um, like space as being concentric shells of the surface of the earth.

So, um, you know, there's, there's, it's the surface of the earth, but, but there's, it's a series of- But much larger.

Yeah.

It's like a series of concentric shells.

Um, and think of an airstream trailer flying around up there.

There's a lot of room for airstreams.

Yeah.

I mean, imagine, yeah, if there were just a few thousand airstreams, um, on earth.

Yeah.

What are the odds that they'd hit each other?

They wouldn't be very crowded.

No.

And then you got to go bigger.

Yeah.

Because you're dealing with far above earth, hundreds of miles above earth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's the, um, but the, the, the goal of SpaceX is to get a rocket technology to the point where we can extend life beyond earth and that we can establish a self-sustaining city on Mars, uh, a permanent base on the moon.

That would be very cool.

I mean, imagine if we had like a, you know, moon base alpha where there was like a permanent science base on the moon.

That would be pretty dope.

Or at least a tourist trap.

I mean.

A lot of people would be willing to go to the moon for just for a tour.

That's for sure.

We could probably pay for our space program with that.

Probably.

Yeah.

Because it's like, if you, if you could go to the moon and, and safely, uh, I think we'd get a lot of people would, would, would, would pay for that.

Oh, a hundred percent.

Yeah.

After the first year, after nobody died for like a year.

Just to make sure.

Exactly.

Are you going to come back?

Because like that submarine, they, they had a bunch of successful launches in that private submarine before it blowed and killed everybody.

That was not a good design.

Obviously.

It was a very bad design.

Terrell design.

And the engineer said it would not withstand the pressure of those depths.

Like there was a lot of whistleblowers in that company too.

Yeah.

Um, they, they, they made that out of, uh, carbon fiber, which is, it doesn't make any sense because, um, you actually need, you need to be dense to go down.

Um, in any case, you just make it out of steel.

If you make it out of, uh, sort of just, you know, a big steel casting, that's, that's, you'll, you'll be safe and nothing.

Why would they make it out of carbon fiber then?

Is it cheaper?

Um, I think they think carbon fiber sounds cool or something, but.

It does sound cool.

It sounds cool, but, um, because it's such, it's such low density, you actually, actually have to add extra mass to go down because it's low density.

But if you just have a giant, you know, hollow ball bearing, uh, you're going to be fine.

Speaking of carbon fiber, check out my unplugged Tesla out there.

Yeah, it's cool.

Pretty sick, right?

Yeah.

Have you guys ever thought about doing something like that?

Like having like an AMG division of Tesla where you do like custom stuff?

Um, I think it's best to leave that to the custom shops.

Uh, you know, we're, we're, like, like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars.

Um, you know, building kind of futuristic autonomous cars.

Um, so, um, like, I think it's, we want the future to look like the future.

Um, so the, did, like, did you see like our designs for like the sort of the robotic bus?

Uh, it looks pretty cool.

The robotic bus?

Yeah.

It's supposed to be a totally autonomous bus?

We need to actually figure out the good name for it.

Like, I think we call it the road bus or, uh, there's no good, there's like, what do you call this thing?

But it looks, it looks cool.

It's, it's very art deco.

It's, it's like, it's like futuristic art deco.

Um, and, um, it, it does, it, like, I think we, we want to change the aesthetic over time.

You don't want the aesthetic to be constant over time.

You want to evolve the aesthetic.

Um, so, um, you know, like my, like I have a son who's, he's like, you know, he's, he's, he's like even more artistic than me.

And, um, and, uh, but he's, he has these great observations.

Who is this?

A Saxon.

He has these great observations in the world.

Uh, because he's, he just views the world through a different lens, uh, than, than most people.

Um, and he's like, dad, why does the world look like it's 2015?

And I'm like, damn, the world does look like it's 2015.

Like the aesthetic has not evolved since 2015.

Whoa, that's what it looks like?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

That's pretty cool.

Oh, yeah.

That's like, what is it?

Like you'd want to see that going down the road, you know?

Yeah.

You'd be like, okay, this is, we're in the future, you know?

It doesn't look like 2015.

What is that ancient science fiction movie?

Like one of the first science fiction movies ever.

Is it Metropolis?

Is that what it is?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

That looks like it belongs in Metropolis.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a futuristic art deco.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's cool that you're concentrating on the aesthetic.

I mean, that's kind of the whole deal with Cybertruck, right?

Like it didn't have to look like that.

No.

I just wanted to have something that looked really different.

Is it a pain in the ass for people to get it insured because it's all solid steel and...

I hope it's not too much.

You know, Tesla does offer insurance.

So people can always get it insured at Tesla.

Well, like it is the form does follow function in the case of the Cybertruck because as you demonstrated with your armor-piercing arrow, because if you shot that arrow at a regular truck, I mean...

It would have gone right through it.

Yeah, exactly.

You would have found your arrow in the wall.

Yeah.

You know?

At the very least, it would have buried into one of the seats.

But you could definitely get enough of a bow velocity and the right arrow would go through both doors of a regular truck and land in the wall.

Yeah.

If there was a clear shot between both doors, it probably would have passed right through.

Yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

But, you know, the arrow shattered on the Cybertruck because it's ultra-hard stainless.

So, and I thought it'd be cool to have, you know, a truck that is bulletproof to a subsonic projectile.

So, you know, especially in this day and age, you know, like if the apocalypse happens, you're going to want to have a bulletproof truck, you know?

So, then because it's made of ultra-hard stainless, you can't just stamp the panels.

You can't just put it in a stamping press because it breaks the press.

So, in order to actually...

So, it has to be planar because it's so difficult to bend because it breaks the machine that bends it.

That's why it's so planar.

And it's not, you know, it's because it's bulletproof steel.

Right.

So, it is like boxy as opposed to like curved and...

Yeah.

You just...

In order to make like the curved shapes, you take basically mild steel, like annealed...

In a regular truck or car, you take mild, thin annealed steel, you put it in a stamping press and it just smushes it and makes it whatever the shape, whatever shape you want.

But the Cybertruck is made of ultra-hard stainless.

And so, you can't stamp it because it would break the stamping press.

So, even bending it is hard.

So, even to bend it to its current position, we have to way overbend it.

And so, it gets...

So, when it springs back, it's in the right position.

So, it's...

I don't know.

Like, I think if you want to...

Like, I think it's a unique aesthetic.

And you say, well, what's cool about a truck?

Trucks are...

Trucks are...

Like, should be...

I don't know, manly.

They should be macho, you know?

And bulletproof is maximum macho.

Quieres más macho.

Are you married to that shape now?

Like, is it...

Can you do anything to change it?

Like, as you get...

Like, I know you guys updated the 3 and the Y.

Did you update the Y as well?

Yes.

The 3 and the Y are updated.

You know, there's like a...

There's a screen in the back that the kids can watch, for example, in the new 3 and Y.

So, in the new Y.

There's...

There's like hundreds of improvements.

Like, we keep improving the car.

And even the Cybertruck, we, you know, keep improving it.

But, you know, I wanted to just do something that looked unique.

And the Cybertruck looks unique and has unique functionality.

And there were like...

There were three things where I was aiming for.

It's like, let's make it bulletproof.

Let's make it faster than a Porsche 911.

And we actually cleared the quarter mile.

The Cybertruck can clear a quarter mile while towing a Porsche 911 faster than a Porsche 911.

It can out-tow an F-350 diesel.

Really?

Yes.

What is the tow limitations?

I mean, we could tow like a, you know, a 747 in that with a Cybertruck.

The Cybertruck is an insanely...

Like, it is alien technology.

Okay.

Because it shouldn't be possible to be that big and that fast.

That doesn't...

It's like an elephant that runs as like a cheetah.

Yeah, because it's 0 to 60 in less than three seconds.

Yes.

Yeah.

And it's enormous.

What does it weigh?

Like 7,000 pounds?

Yeah.

This is a different configuration, but it's about that.

It's a beast.

Yeah.

So, and it's got four-wheel steering.

So, the rear wheels steer too.

So, it's got a very tight turning radius.

Yeah, we noticed that when we drove one to Starbase.

Yeah, very tight turning radius.

Yeah.

Pretty sick.

Yeah.

Are you still doing the Roadster?

Yes.

Eventually?

We're getting close to demonstrating the prototype.

Like how close?

And I think this will be...

One thing I can guarantee is that this product demo will be unforgettable.

Unforgettable.

How so?

Whether it's good or bad.

It will be unforgettable.

Can you say more?

What do you mean?

Well, you know, my friend Peter Thiel, you know, once reflected that the future was supposed to have flying cars, but we don't have flying cars.

So, you're going to be able to fly?

Well, I mean, I think if Peter wants a flying car, we should be able to buy one.

So, are you actively considering making an electric flying car?

Is this like a real thing?

Well, you have to see in the...

In the demo.

Yeah.

So, when you do this, like, are you going to have a retractable wing?

Like, what is the idea behind this?

Don't be sly.

Come on.

Tell us.

I can't do the unveil before the unveil, but...

Tell me off-air, then.

Look, I think it has a shot at being the most memorable product unveil ever.

It has a shot.

And when do you plan on doing this?

What's the goal?

Hopefully, before the end of the year.

Really?

Before the end of this year?

This is, I mean, we're almost November 1st.

Hopefully, in a couple months.

You know, we need to make sure that it works.

Like, this is some crazy, crazy technology we've got in this car.

Crazy technology.

Crazy, crazy.

So, different than what was previously announced and...

Yes.

And is that why you haven't released it yet?

Because you keep fucking with it?

It has crazy technology.

Okay.

Like, is it even a car?

I'm not sure.

Like, it looks like a car.

Let's just put it this way.

It's crazier than anything James Bond.

If you took all the James Bond cars and combined them, it's crazier than that.

Very exciting.

Yeah.

I don't know what to think of that.

Is it even a car?

I don't know.

Because it's a limited amount of information I'm drawing from here.

Jamie's very suspicious over there.

Look at him.

Excited.

I'm interested.

It's still going to be the same.

Well, you know what?

I mean, if you want to come a little before the unveil, I can show it to you.

A hundred percent.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's kind of crazy, all the different things that you're involved in simultaneously.

And, you know, we talked about this before, your time management.

But I really don't understand it.

I don't understand how you can be paying attention to all of these different things simultaneously.

Starlink, SpaceX, Tesla, Boring Company, X, you fucking tweet or post, rather, all day long.

Well, it's more like I can hop in for, like, two minutes and then hop out, you know.

But, I mean, just the fact that you can do that.

Bathroom break, whatever, you know.

I can't do that.

If I hop in, I start scrolling.

And I start looking around.

Next thing you know, I've lost an hour.

Yeah.

So, no, for me, it's a couple minutes of time, usually.

Sometimes, I guess, it's half an hour.

But, usually, I'm in for a few minutes then and out of, you know, posting something on X.

You know, I do sometimes feel like it's sometimes, like, that meme of the guy who drops the grenade and leaves the room.

That's been me more than once on X.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

It's got to be fun, though.

It's got to be fun to know that you essentially disrupted the entire social media chain of command.

Because there was a very clear thing that was going on with social media.

Yeah, yeah.

The government had infiltrated it.

They were censoring speech.

And until you bought it, we really didn't know the extent of it.

We kind of assumed that there was something going on.

Yeah.

We had no idea that they were actively involved in censoring actual real news stories, real data, real scientists, real professors, silenced, expelled, kicked off the platform.

Yeah.

Wild.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For telling the truth.

For telling the truth.

And I'm sure you've also, because I sent it to you, that chart that shows young kids, teenagers identifying as trans and non-binary, literally stops dead when you bought Twitter and starts falling off a cliff when people are allowed to have rational discussions now.

Yes.

And actually talk about it.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, I said at the time, like, I think that, like, the reason for acquiring Twitter is because it was causing destruction at a civilizational level.

It was, I mean, I posted, I tweeted on Twitter at the time that it is, you know, it's worm tongue for the world.

You know, like, worm tongue from Lord of the Rings, where he would just sort of, like, whisper these, you know, terrible things to the king, so the king would believe these things that weren't true.

And, and, and, unfortunately, Twitter really got, it got, like, the, the, the, the woke mob, essentially, that controlled Twitter.

And they were pushing a nihilistic, anti-civilizational mind virus to the world.

Um, and you can see the results of that mind virus on the streets of San Francisco, uh, where, where, you know, downtown San Francisco, it looks like a zombie apocalypse.

Um, you know, it's, it's bad.

Um, so we don't want the whole world to be a zombie apocalypse.

Um, but that's, uh, that, that, that, that was essentially, they were pushing this very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on the world.

And it was causing a lot of damage.

Um, so.

The stunning thing about it is how few people course corrected.

A bunch of people woke up and realized what was going on.

People that were all on board with, like, woke ideology in maybe 2015 or 16.

And then, and then eventually it comes to affect them or they see it in their workplace or they see it and they're like, well, we've got to stop this.

A bunch of people did.

But a lot of people never course corrected.

Yeah.

Um, a lot of, a lot of people didn't course correct, but, um, but it's gone directionally and it's gone, it's, it's directionally correct.

Like you mentioned like the, like the massive spike in, in kids identifying as trans.

And, and then that, that, that, that spike dropping, um, after the, the Twitter acquisition, I think that, um, simply allowing the truth to be told, um, was just shedding some sunlight is the best disinfectant, as they say.

And just allowing sunlight, um, kills the virus.

And it also changed the benchmark for all the other platforms.

Yes.

You can't just openly censor people and all the other platforms and access available.

So everybody else had a, so like Facebook announced they were changing YouTube announced they were changing their policies.

Yeah.

And they're kind of forced to, and then blue sky doubled down.

Well, like the problem is like if, uh, essentially the woke mind virus retreated to work to, to blue sky.

Yeah.

Um, but it's where they're just a self-reinforcing lunatic asylum.

They're all just triple masked.

I was, I was watching this in exchange on a blue sky where someone said that they're just trying to be Zen about something.

And then someone, a moderator immediately chimed in and said, why don't you try to stop being racist against Asians by saying something Zen, by saying, I'm trying to be Zen about something.

They were accusing that person of being racist towards Asians.

Yeah.

It's just, it's just, it's just everyone's a whole monitor over there.

The worst whole monitor, a virgin, like incel.

The whole whole monitor is trying to rat on each other.

Yeah.

It's fascinating.

And then people say, I'm leaving for blue sky, like Stephen King.

And then a couple of weeks later, he's back on X.

Yeah.

It's like, fuck it.

There's no one over there.

It's all a bunch of crazy people.

You can only stay in the asylum for so long.

Like, all right, these, this is not good.

They all bail.

Yeah.

Threads is kind of like that too.

Threads is nuts.

I've been on Threads.

Is it?

Well, what happens is if you go on Instagram every now and then, something really stupid will pop up on Threads like, what the fuck?

And it shows it to you on Instagram.

And then I'll click on that.

And then I'll go to Threads.

And it's like, you see posts with like 25 likes, like famous people, like 50 likes.

It's a ghost town.

Ghost town.

Yeah.

But the people that post on there, they're finding that there's very little pushback from insane ideology.

Yeah.

So they go there and they spit out nonsense and very few people jump in to argue.

Yeah.

Very weird.

Very weird place.

I mean, I can generally get the vibe of like what's taking off by seeing what's showing up on X because that's the public town square still.

Um, and, uh, or, uh, you know, what, what links show up in group texts?

You know, if I'm in group chats with friends, like where, where the, what, what links are showing up?

That's what I try to do now.

Only get stuff that shows up in my group text because that keeps me productive.

So I only check if someone's like, dude, what the fuck?

I'm like, all right, what the fuck?

Let me check it out.

If there's something that's crazy enough, it'll, it'll enter the group chat.

But there's always something.

That's what's nuts.

There's always some new law that's passed.

It's some new insane thing that California is doing.

And it's like, like a giant chunk of it's happening in California.

The most preposterous things that I get.

Yeah.

And then you got Gavin Newsom who's running around saying we all have California derangement syndrome.

He's just like ripping off Trump derangement and calling it California derangement.

It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The fucking, how many corporations have left California?

It's crazy.

Hundreds.

Yes.

Right.

Hundreds.

Yes.

That's not good.

I mean, I don't do it.

I think In-N-Out left.

Yeah.

In-N-Out left.

They moved to Tennessee.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're like, we can't do this anymore.

Right.

It's the California company for food.

Yes.

It's like the greatest hamburger place ever.

It's awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Actually, speaking of like just sort of open source and like looking at things openly, like I just like going In-N-Out and seeing them make the burger.

Yeah.

It's right there.

And they chop the onions and they, you know, it's, you just see everything getting made in front of you.

Yeah.

It's great.

But yeah, like it should be, like how many wake up calls do you need to say that needs to be reform in California, you know?

Well, the crazy thing that Newsom does is whenever someone brings up the problems in California, he starts rattling off all the positives.

The most Fortune 500 companies, highest education, but yeah, that was all already there before

you were governor.

But how many Fortune 500 companies have left California?

And then you guys spent $24 billion on the homeless and it got way worse.

Yes.

Like the homeless population doubled or something.

Like people don't understand like the homeless thing because it sort of preys on people's empathy.

And I think we should have empathy and we should try to help people.

Um, but the, the, the, uh, the homeless industrial complex is, is really, it's, it's, it's dark, man.

Um, it, it should be that, that, that, that, that network of NGOs should be called like the drug zombie farmers, um, because they, they, the, the more homeless people and, and, and really like when you, when you meet like, you know, somebody who's like totally dead inside shuffling along down the street with it, with a needle dangling, dangling out of their leg.

Homeless is the wrong word.

Like the homeless implies that somebody got a little behind on their mortgage payments.

And if they just got a job offer, they'd be back on their feet.

But someone who's, I mean, you see these videos of people that are just shuffling, you know, they're on fentanyl.

They're, they're like, you know, taking a dump in the middle of the streets, you know, and they, they got like open sores and stuff.

They're not like one job offer away from getting back on their feet.

Right.

This is not a homeless.

Homeless is, it's, it's, it's a propaganda word.

Um, so, and, and then the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, these sort of charities are, uh, in quotes are, they, they get money proportionate to the number of homeless people or, or, or number of drug zombies.

Right.

So their incentive structure is to maximize the number of drug zombies, not minimize it.

Right.

Um, that's why they don't arrest the drug dealers because if they arrest the drug dealers, the drug zombies leave.

So they know who the drug dealers are.

They don't arrest them on purpose because otherwise the drug zombies would leave and they would, they would stop getting money from the state of California and from, from all the charities.

Wait a minute.

So you see if you, they, so they're in coordination with law enforcement on this.

So how do they, how do they have those meetings?

They're all in cahoots.

Well, when you find this, it's like such, it's, it's, this is a diabolical scam.

Um, so, uh, and, and San Francisco has got this tax, this, this gross receipts tax, uh, which, which, um, it's not even on revenue.

It's on all transactions, which is why Stripe, um, and Square and, and, and, and a whole bunch of financial companies had to move out of San Francisco because it wasn't a tax on revenue.

It's tax on transactions.

So if you, if you do like, you know, trillions of dollars transactions, it's not revenue.

You're taxed on any money going through the system in San Francisco.

Um, so, um, like Jack Dorsey pointed this out and they said like, look, that they had to, had to move Square from San Francisco to, uh, Oakland.

I think, uh, Stripe had to move from San Francisco to South San Francisco, a different city.

Um, and that money, uh, goes to the homeless industrial complex that, that tax that was passed.

Um, so, um, so there's billions of dollars that go, as you pointed out, that billions of dollars every year that go to, uh, these, um, non-governmental organizations that are funded by the state.

Like this, it's not clear how to turn this off.

Um, it's a, it's a self-licking ice cream cone situation.

Um, so, uh, they, they get this money.

The money is proportionate to the number of, of homeless people or, or, or number of drug zombies, essentially.

Um, so they, they, they try to keep the, they try to actually increase because that, like, like in, in some cases, like there's, it's, it's, somebody did an analysis.

When you add up all the money that's flowing, they're getting close to a million dollars per homeless, per, per drug zombie.

It's like $900,000, something like some crazy amount of money is, is, is going to the of these organizations.

So if, if, so, so they want to keep people just barely alive.

They need to keep them in the area.

So they, so they, they get the revenue.

Uh, uh, so, and so that's why, like I said, they don't arrest the drug dealers because otherwise the drug zombies would leave.

Um, and, and, and, and they, but, but they don't want to have to have too much, if they get too much drugs and they, then they die.

So it's, they, they kept in this sort of perpetual zone of, of being addicted, but, um, but, but just, just barely alive.

So how is this coordinated with like DAs, DAs that don't prosecute people?

So when they, uh, when they hire the, or they push, so they, they fund the campaigns of the most progressive, most out there left wing DAs, they get them into office.

We've got that issue in Austin too, by the way.

Yes, we do.

Do you see that guy that got shot in the library?

No.

Yeah, I heard about it.

A guy that got shot, shot and killed in the library.

Uh, I think that was just like last week or something.

Right.

Um, so some friends of mine were telling me that, that like the library is unsafe.

Like they took their kids to the library and, and there were like dangerous people in the library in Austin.

And I was like, dangerous people in the library?

Like that's a strange, it basically got like, uh, drug zombies in the, drug zombies in the library.

Oh Jesus.

Um.

And that's when someone got shot?

Yeah, I believe this is, should be on the news.

Maybe we might be able to pull it up.

Um, but I think it was just in the last week or so that, uh, uh, there was a shooting in the library in Austin.

Um, cause Austin's got, you know, it's, it's the most liberal part of Texas that we're in right, right here.

Um.

So suspect of all the shooting, Austin Park Library Saturday is accused of another shooting at the Cap Metro bus earlier that day.

According to an arrest warrant affidavit, Austin police arrested Harold Newton Keene, 55, uh, shortly after the shooting in the library, which occurred around noon.

One person sustained non-life threatening injuries in the event.

Before that shooting, Keene was accused of shooting another person in a bus incident and after reportedly pointing his gun at a child.

So this is the fella down here.

Right, so like we just have a, seriously have a problem here.

Um, you know, so I, I think one of the people might've died too, that he shot.

Um, so, um, like one of the people I think, I think did bleed out.

Um, but either way, it's like getting shot is just bad.

It's, it says, uh, the victim told Pisa, confronted the suspect who started to eat what appeared to be crystal methamphetamine.

According to the affidavit, the victim advised the suspect, uh, began to trip out, at which time the victim exited the bus.

Victim told the bus driver, hit the panic button, then exited the bus when he turned around the observer.

Black male is now standing at the front of the bus with the gun pointed at him.

The victim advised the black male fired a single round, which grazed his left hip.

So he shot at that dude.

And then another dude got shot in the library.

Fun.

Yeah.

I mean, in the library.

Yeah.

You know, where you're supposed to be reading books.

Um, and there's a children's section in the library and says he pointed his gun at a kid.

I mean, like we do have a serious issue in the, in, in America where, um, repeat violent offenders need to be incarcerated.

Right.

Um, and, uh, you know, you've got, you've got cases where somebody has been arrested like 47 times.

Right.

Like literally, okay, that's just the number of times they were arrested, not the number of times they did things.

Like most of the times they do things, they're not arrested.

Um.

So lay this out for people so they understand.

Yeah.

How this happens.

Yeah.

And the key is like, it preys on people's empathy.

So like, if you're a good person and you want good things to happen in the world, you're like, well, we should take care of people, uh, you know, uh, you know, who are down on their luck or, you know, having a hard time in life.

And I, we should, I agree.

But what we shouldn't do, uh, is, is put people who are violent drug zombies, uh, in public places where they can hurt other people.

Um, and that's what, that is what we're doing that we just saw where a guy, you know, got shot, uh, shot in the library.

And then, but even before that, he shot another guy, um, and pointed his gun at a kid.

Um, like that guy probably has like many prior arrests.

Um, you know, there was that, that, that guy that, that, that knifed, uh, the Ukrainian woman, Arena.

Yes.

Yeah.

You know, um, and she was just, she was just quietly on her phone and he just came up and, you know, gutted her basically.

Wasn't there a crazy story about the judge who was involved, who had previously dealt with this person was also invested in a rehabilitation center and was sending these

conflict of interest.

Yes.

So sending people that they were charging to a rehabilitation center instead of putting them in jail, profiting from this rehabilitation center, letting them back out on the street.

Yes.

Violent, insane people.

And, and they're, um, in that case that I believe that judge, uh, has no legal law degree, uh, or a significant legal experience that would allow them to be a judge.

They were just made a judge.

That there's like.

You could be a judge without a law degree?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

You could just be, so I could be a judge?

Yeah.

Hmm.

Excited.

Anyone.

That's crazy.

I thought you'd have to, it's like, if you want to be a doctor, you have to go to medical school, I thought if you're going to be a judge, you have to understand the law.

You think like if you are going to be appointed to a judge, you have to have proven that you have, uh, an, uh, excellent knowledge of the law and that you will make your decisions according to the law.

That's what we assume should be.

That's how you get the robe.

Right.

Yeah.

You don't get the robe unless you do, you know.

Got to go to school to get the robe.

You got to know what the law is.

Right.

And then you're going to need to make decisions in accordance with the law.

Based on the stuff that you already know because you read it because you went to school for it.

Yes.

Not, you just got appointed.

Not vibes.

You can't be just vibing as a judge.

Vibing as a left wing drudge.

So you got crazy left wing DAs.

Yeah.

Like I was going to say left wing because the left wing used to be normal.

Yeah.

Left wing just meant like, like, yeah, you're like open minded.

The left used to be like pro free speech.

Yeah.

And now they're against it.

It used to be like pro gay rights, pro women's right to choose, pro minorities, pro, you know.

Like, yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't know.

It used to be like left would be like the party of empathy or like, you know, caring and being nice and that kind of thing.

Not the party of like crushing dissent and crushing free speech and, you know, crazy regulation

and just, and being super judgy and calling everyone a Nazi, you know.

Like I think I've called you and me Nazis, you know.

Oh yeah, I'm a Nazi.

No, I have friends that are comedians that called you a Nazi and I got pissed off at them.

Are you serious?

Like, like, how do you point at the crowd?

Yeah.

How do you wave at the crowd?

Do you know CNN was using a photo of me whenever I got in trouble during COVID from the UFC weigh-ins?

And if the UFC weigh-ins, I go, hey everybody, welcome to the weigh-ins.

And so they were getting me from the side and that was the photo that they used.

Conspiracy theorist, podcaster Joe Rogan.

Like, that's what they used.

Yeah, yeah, but that's what the left is today.

It's a super judgy and calling everyone a Nazi and trying to suppress freedom of speech.

Yeah, and eventually you run out of people to accuse because people get pissed off and they leave.

Yeah, everyone, it's like, like, it, like, it no longer, frankly, it doesn't matter to be called racist or a Nazi or whatever.

I'm still recording.

It's the government, man.

Is it working?

We're good?

Okay.

It's supposed to be working.

Yeah, slight issue.

When you text people, are you, like, keenly aware that there's a high likelihood that someone's reading your text?

I guess.

I assume.

Look, if intelligence agencies aren't trying to read my phone, they should probably be fired.

At least they get some fun memes.

I gotta crack them up once in a while.

Oh, for sure.

I crack them up.

It's like, hey, guys, check it out.

You've got a banger here.

So I wanted to talk to you about whether or not encrypted apps are really secure.

No.

Right.

Because I know the Tucker thing.

So it was explained to me by a friend who used to do this, used to work for the government.

And he's like, they can look at your signal.

But what they have to do is take the information that's encrypted, and then they have to decrypt it, and it's very expensive.

So they said, he told me that for the Tucker Carlson thing, when they found out that he was going to interview Putin, it costs something like $750,000 just to decrypt his messages to find out that they did it.

So it is possible to do.

It's just not that easy to do.

I think you should view any given messaging system as not whether it's secure or not, but there are degrees of insecurity.

So there's just some things that are less insecure than others.

So, you know, on X, we just rebuilt the entire messaging stack into what's called XChat.

Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you about.

Yeah, it's cool.

So it's using sort of peer-to-peer, sort of kind of a peer-to-peer-based encryption system.

So it's kind of similar to Bitcoin.

So it's, I think, very good encryption.

And, you know, we're testing it thoroughly.

There's no hooks in the X system for advertising.

So if you look at something like WhatsApp or really any of the others, they've got hooks in there for advertising.

When you say hooks, what do you mean by that?

Exactly.

What do you mean by a hook for advertising?

So like WhatsApp knows enough about what you're texting to know what ads to show you.

But then, like, that's a massive security vulnerability.

Yeah.

Because if it's got information, enough information to show you ads, that's a lot of information.

Yeah.

So they call it, oh, don't worry about it.

It's just a hook for advertising.

I'm like, okay, so somebody can just use that same hook to get in there and look at your messages.

So XChat has no hooks for advertising.

And I'm not saying it's perfect.

But our goal with XChat is to replace what used to be the Twitter DM stack with a fully encrypted system where you can text, send files, do audio-video calls.

And I think it'll be the least, I would call it the least insecure of any messaging system.

Are you going to launch it as a standalone app or will it always be incorporated to X?

We'll have both.

Okay.

So it'll be like Signal.

So anybody can get it.

Yeah.

You'll be able to just get the XChat app by itself.

And like I said, we could do texts, audio-video calls, or send files.

And there'll be a dedicated app which will hopefully release in a few months.

And then it's also integrated into the X system.

The X phone.

People keep talking.

Oh, man.

Is that nonsense still?

I have a lot on my plate, man.

I know.

But it keeps coming up.

It keeps coming up where I know I've asked you a couple times.

I'm like, this is bullshit, right?

But like there's so many.

You're not working on it.

I'm not working on a phone.

Okay.

Have you ever considered it?

Has it ever popped into your head?

Because you might be the only person that could get people off of the Apple platform.

Well, I can tell you where I think things are going to go, which is that we're not going to have a phone in the traditional sense.

What we call a phone will really be an edge node for AI inference, for AI video inference

with some radios to obviously connect.

But essentially you'll have AI on the server side communicating to an AI on your device,

formerly known as a phone, and generating real-time video of anything that you could possibly want.

And I think that there won't be operating systems.

There won't be apps in the future.

There won't be operating systems or apps.

It'll just be you've got a device that is there for the screen and audio and to put as much AI on the device as possible so as to minimize the amount of bandwidth that's needed between your edge node device, formerly known as a phone, and the servers.

So if there's no apps, what will people use?

Like, will X still exist?

Will they be email platforms, or will you get everything through AI?

You'll get everything through AI.

Everything through AI.

Who will be the benefit of that as opposed to having individual apps?

Whatever you can think of or really whatever the AI can anticipate you might want, it'll show you.

That's my prediction for where things end up.

What kind of time frame are we talking about here?

I don't know.

Well, it's probably five or six years or something like that.

So five or six years, apps are like blockbuster video.

Pretty much.

And everything's run through AI.

Yeah.

And there'll be, like, most of what people consume in five or six years, maybe sooner than that, will be just AI-generated content.

So, you know, music, videos, like, well, there's already, you know, there's people who have made AI videos using Grok Imagine and with using, you know, other apps as well that are several minutes long or like 10, 15 minutes.

And it's pretty coherent.

Yeah.

It looks good.

No, it looks amazing.

Yeah.

It's, the music's disturbing because it's my favorite music now.

Like AI music.

AI music is your favorite.

Oh, there's AI covers.

Have you ever heard any of the AI covers of 50 Cent songs in Soul?

No.

I'm going to blow your mind.

Okay.

This is my favorite thing to do to people.

Play What Up Gangsta.

Now, this guy, if this was a real person, would be the number one music artist in the world.

Okay.

Everybody would be like, holy shit, have you heard of this guy?

He's, it's like, they took all of the sounds that all the artists have generated and created the most soulful, potent voice.

And it's sung in a way that I don't even know if you could do because you would have to breathe in and out of reps.

Here, put the headphones on.

Put the headphones on real quick.

Okay.

You got to listen to this.

It's going to blow you away.

Just for the listeners, we got to cut it out.

Yeah, we'll cut it out for the listeners.

But amazing, right?

Amazing.

And they do like every one of his hits.

All through this AI-generated, soulful artist.

Yeah.

It's fucking incredible.

I played in the green room.

People that are like, I don't want to hear AI music.

I'm like, just listen to this.

And they're like, god damn it.

It's fucking incredible.

It's only going to get better from here.

Yeah, only going to get better.

And Ron White was telling me about this joke that he was working on that he couldn't get to work.

He's like, I got this joke I've been working on.

He goes, I just threw it in a chat sheet PT.

I said, tell me what would be funny about this.

And then he goes, it listed like five different examples of different ways he can go.

He's like, hold on a second.

Tighten it up.

Make it funnier.

Make it more like this.

Make it more like that.

And it did that like instantaneously.

Yep.

And then he was in the green room.

He was like, holy shit, we're fucked.

He's like, well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He goes, it wrote a better joke than me in 20 minutes.

I've been working on that joke for a month.

Yeah.

I mean, if you want to have a good time or like make people really laugh at a party, you can use Grok.

And you can say, do a vulgar roast of someone.

And Grok is going to, it's going to be an epic vulgar roast.

You can even say, like, take a picture of, like, make a vulgar roast of this person based on their appearance of people at the party.

So take a photo of them.

Yeah, just literally point the camera at them and not do a vulgar roast of this person.

And then, but then keep saying, no, no, make it even more vulgar.

Use forbidden words.

Even more, and just keep repeating, even more vulgar.

Eventually, it's like, holy fuck.

You know, it's like, I mean, it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass and have it explode.

And it's like, it's like, it's next level.

And it's going to get better.

Beyond fucking belief.

That's what's crazy is that it keeps getting better.

Like, remember when we ran into each other?

They just keep getting better.

Yeah.

I mean, have you, yeah.

I mean, have you tried Grok unhinged mode?

Yes.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

It's, it's, it's pretty unhinged.

No, it's nuts.

Yeah.

Well, you showed it to me the first time.

I fucked around with it.

It's just, and the thing about it that's nuts is that it keeps getting stronger.

It keeps getting better.

Yeah.

Like, constantly.

It's, it's like this never-ending exponential improvement.

Yes.

No, it's, it's, it's, yeah.

It's going to be crazy.

That's why I say, like you said, what's the future going to be?

It's not going to be a conventional phone.

I don't think there'll be operating systems.

I don't think there'll be apps.

It's just, the phone will just display the pixels and make the sounds that it anticipates you would most like to receive.

Wow.

Yeah.

And when this is all taking place, like, so the big concern that everybody has is artificial general super intelligence achieving sentience.

And then someone having control over it.

I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital super intelligence.

Um, you know, any more than say, uh, a chimp would have control over humans.

Like chimps don't have control over humans.

There's nothing they could do.

Um, but, um, I do think that it matters how you build the AI and what kind of values you instill in the AI.

And, um, my opinion on AI safety is the most important thing is that it'd be maximally truth-seeking, like that you don't force the AI to believe things that are false.

Um, and we've obviously seen some concerning things with AI that we've talked about, you know, where, you know, Google Gemini, when it came out with the image gen, um, and people said, like, uh, you know, make an image of the founding fathers of the United States, and it was a group of diverse women.

Now, that is just a factually untrue thing.

But the, and the AI knows it's factually, well, it's knows it's factually untrue, but it's also being told that it has to be, everything has to be diverse women.

So, so, so the, now the problem with that is that it can drive AI crazy.

Like you, cause it's, it's trying to, you're telling AI to believe a lie.

Um, and that, that can have very disastrous consequences.

Like, let's say.

As it scales.

Yeah, let's say, like, if you've told the AI that diversity is the most important thing, um, and, um, and, and, and now seeing that that becomes omnipotent, um, or, and, and you've also told that there's nothing worse than misgendering.

So, at one point, um, Chad GVT and, and Gemini, if, if you asked which is worse, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or, or global thermonuclear war where everyone dies, it would say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner.

Which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees with.

So, um, you know, so, so that's, uh.

I know that's terrible and it's dystopian, but it's also hilarious.

It's hilarious that the mind virus infected the most potent computer program that we've ever devised.

I, I, I think people don't quite appreciate the level of danger that we're in from, um, the woke mind virus being, being effectively programmed into AI.

Um, because, uh, if you, if, like, it's, imagine as that AI gets more and more powerful, if it says the most important thing is supposed to be, the most important thing is, um, no misgendering.

Um, and then it will say, well, in order to, uh, ensure that no one gets misgendered, then, uh, if you eliminate all humans, then no one can get misgendered because there's no humans to do the misgendering.

Um, so you can get in these very dystopian situations, um, or if it says that everyone must be diverse, it means that there can be no straight, straight white men.

And so then you and I will be, get executed by the AI.

Yeah.

Cause we're not in the picture.

You know, uh, Jim, you know, Jim and I was asked to create a, you know, show, show an image of the Pope.

Once again, a diverse woman.

Um, so, um, well, you can say, argue whether the, you know, whether the Pope, Pope's should or should not be an uninterrupted string of white guys, but it just factually is the case that they have been.

Um, so it's rewriting history here.

Um, so now, now this stuff is still there in the AI programming.

It's just, it just now knows enough to that.

It's not supposed to say that, but it's still in the program.

It's still in the program.

So how was it entered in?

Like, what were the parameters?

Like what, like when, so when they're programming AI and I'm very ignorant to how it's even programmed, how did they, the, the, the, the, the sort of, well, the woke mind virus was programmed into it.

Like the, they were told, like when they do, when, when they make the AI, it, it trains on, and all the, all the data on the internet, which already is very, very sort of has a lot of woke mind virus stuff on, on the internet.

Um, but then, um, in the, uh, when they give it, um, Um, feedback that with the human tutors give it feedback, uh, and, and, and the AI is, you know, they, they, they'll ask a bunch of questions and then, and then they'll tell AI, I know this, you're, this question is, this answer is bad or this answer is good.

And then that affects the, the parameters of the programming of the, of the, of the AI.

So if you tell the AI that, um, you know, every, every image has got to be diverse, um, and, and it gets, it gets punished if, uh, if, you know, it gets, it gets rewarded if diverse, punished if it's not, then it'll make every picture diverse.

So, um, you know, in that case, the, the, uh, you know, uh, Google programmed the AI, uh, to lie.

Now, and, and, and, and I, I, I did call Demis Hassabis, who runs DeepMind, who runs Google AI, essentially.

I said, Demis, what's going on here?

Uh, why is, uh, Gemini, um, lying to the public about historical events?

Um, and he said, that's actually not, he, he, he didn't, his team didn't program that in.

It was another team at Google that, so his team made the AI and then another team at Google, uh, reprogrammed the AI to show only diverse women and, um, and, and to prefer nuclear war over misgendering.

Um, and I'm like, well, Demis, you know, that would be, um, not a great thing to put on the humanity's gravestone.

You know, it's like, uh, well, um, like, I'll, I'll, I'll actually like, Demis Hassabis is a friend of mine.

I think he's a good guy and I think he, he, he means well, but, but, but it's like Demis, uh, this is, things happen that were outside of your control at Google in different groups.

Um, now, now I think he's got, you know, he's got more, more authority, um, but, but it, it's pretty hard to fully extract the woke mind virus.

Uh, I mean, you know, um, Google's been marinating the woke mind virus for a long time.

Like, it's, it's down in the marrow type of thing, you know, it's hard to get it out.