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Kim Kardashian spills the tea on "Call Her Daddy," discussing her law career, Skims empire, family dynamics, past relationships, and future aspirations. An unmissable deep dive into the icon.
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Interviewer: Hey gang, it is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Kim Kardashian, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Interviewee: Thank you. Thank you for having me. Interviewer: I'm so happy you're here. What did you do today? Because obviously it's a little later in the day. What have you been up to? Interviewer: School run. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewee: Came home, meeting, a security meeting with my security team. Interviewee: How often do we do that? Interviewee: Yeah. Every so often, just to assess everything. Tune things up. Tighten it up. Interviewee: Yeah. And then I got ready. And then I did a Nike Skims call on the way here, multitasking, and this. Interviewee: And then I'm going to go hang with one of my friends later.
Interviewee: You know what's so funny is Chloe sent in our group chat, our family chat, this interview that we did on The View. And they, it was like Courtney, me, and Chloe. And they just like looked at Chloe. And I bet you could pull this up. It was like going online. And they were just like, how does it feel, Chloe, to just like look so different than Courtney and Kim? And it was just the way that they were asking questions. It was just that you could never get away with that today. Interviewer: It is crazy. I have seen so many people's interviews pop back up from the old days. And you're like, wait, she said what to her? Whether it was about weight, looks. Interviewee: It was about weight. It was about looks. It was about everything. And it was just so crazy that like that's what, it just was okay at that time. Interviewer: It also makes me so sad. And I would love to hear how you as a sister supported her. Because when I interviewed Chloe, she now has such a lightness about the topic because time has gone on where she was like, oh my God, I used to get all this shit about me and it hurt back then. But now I'm so secure in myself. But like in those moments in interviews, were you aware people were doing that to her? Interviewee: No, no. Maybe sometimes. Her responses were so great though. She'd be like, wait, what? She was like, I can't believe you're asking me this. This is insane. And I can't believe, I mean, I guess Courtney and I should have maybe stuck up for her publicly a little bit more when that was happening. I think we just wanted to, we didn't know. These are like our first set of interviews, our first time on these shows. Interviewee: Like what can we say? What can't we? But just to look back and to know that that's how interviews were conducted is kind of crazy. Interviewee: It's beyond inappropriate. Interviewer: Yeah.
Interviewee: It's so fun to do that. Interviewee: It is. Interviewer: You're so good at it. You're really good at it, sweetie. So keep it going. But you've done it so many times. What do you think has been your most favorite moment? Interviewee: I mean, maybe when we did the paper magazine cover and we came up with that phrase, break the internet, you know, maybe that. Interviewer: That photo will forever, I was literally thinking about, I'm like, I think that's how I'm going to tease this episode is I'm going to try to balance a glass on my ass. I don't think it's going to even stay for a fucking second, but I'm going to do my best. Did you actually balance it on your ass or is that full Photoshop? Interviewee: That we had like a padding and then we put it on top because it had to like sit perfectly straight. So you can tell that's like not my ass. It's like a padding with that. But I just remember that shoot was so crazy because I was having dinner with my mom right after. And I don't, I don't know. I went and worked with John Paul Gude who does like the craziest shoots and it was one shot. And I was like, I pulled him aside and I was like, hey, like it's me. There's no publicist here. There's no one here. Like you want to shoot one, like one more, like something other than just this one shot. And the one shot was, I think the, the one with the glass on my butt, but I was like, let's do something else. So he's like, okay. And he's like, had to go back to sketch it out, think about it. And was like, let's like rip it off or like something. And I was like, I'm down. Interviewee: And then I go to dinner with my mom later. She's like, how was the shoot? And I was like, oh, it was good, whatever. And then when that shoot came out, I was living at my mom's house. And I just remember her like screaming down the hall, like, what did you do? And I just was like, what? She's like, that's what you did the night we had dinner. And you didn't even mention to me that this was the, what you were doing in the shoot. And I was like, I don't, I didn't think it was that big of a deal, you know? And she was pissed. She's like, Kim, how many times is this going to happen in my life where I'm like, Kimberly? But then she's also like, okay, send me my 10% Interviewer: bitch. Totally. Like we give her heart attacks. But it's gotten so far. I don't know how I would deal as a mom. I'm going to have to. Well, you're going to have to. I do. I was going to say, we're going to get to that. But do you think your mom is unfazed now? Is there, do you think there's anything you actually could do that your mom would be like, actually, what the fuck? Interviewee: I think every time we say that something comes up and then it's like, what the fuck? But there is this thing where like, we are a little bit desensitized. Like I said today, I was like, you guys, holy fucking shit. Mom, you're on a Vogue cover. Kendall, you're on a Vogue cover. A Vogue cover that I did came out today. I was like, are we going to like lose our minds in our family chat today? Because like- And celebrate. Interviewee: How are three family members on the same month of different Vogues? Like that's just such a trip to me. Like this can never get old, you know? Such a good point. Interviewee: And so we do talk about stuff like that. Interviewer: Okay. Good. Because I feel like when you become more normalized to things and desensitized, you can forget that like, no, this is iconic. Yes, maybe the first cover of Vogue was iconic, but then also again, being on Vogue is still iconic and you can still celebrate. Interviewee: It's still like, just nothing in this life will ever get old. Interviewer: It's so good. To me.
Interviewee: That was like one of my first biggest purchases. So they weren't insured yet. That's why I was so upset is because that would be money down the drain. If I insured them, then I can just like claim them and then I could have gotten my money back, but I hadn't insured them. I got them that week. Interviewee: Kylie dove down, found it with her goggles in the ocean and then went back and found the earring back. Interviewee: So I have the full exact earring. Interviewer: Wait, and which, I forget which session was like giving you shit. Interviewee: Kourtney. It's always Kourtney. Yeah. Yeah. Interviewer: I shouldn't have even asked. I knew it in my heart. Okay. What is something in your closet now that you, if you lost, would have a similar level crash out? Interviewee: Oh, I have a level of that of like a bag that I just got into a fight with. A sister mom fight over that I crashed out like that. So- Interviewer: They took it? Interviewee: Oh, it's a, it's a long story. Okay. I had this bag, this like Hermes Birkin shoulder bag, JPG designed 90s. I had one. They only made like five versions of it. So I was like, oh, I want to collect every one, but they're so rare. You can never find them. Do I send a picture of it to my mom and tell her, or is she going to copy me on this? Does she often copy? Okay. Okay. Interviewee: So I was like, okay, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to send her the picture. I'm going to say, hey, here's the campaign. Here's the runway images. Here's the bag. If you ever find it, I want it. So go to her house and I decided I was busy studying and I said, I'm not going to like respond to my texts or anything for like two weeks. So the store texts me and says, we found the bag. It's here. Do you want it? I wrote back, negotiated, got the price down, forgot to respond to say, yes, I want it. Cause then I said, I'm putting my phone down for this like last week that I really need to focus, which I've never done in my life. So I was like, I don't care who it is. I'm not responding. See my mom and Chloe and my mom goes, oh, it's one of your sister's birthday. Who wants to go in on a bat? And then she goes, oh, and talks to Chloe and was like, you know, so I was like, oh my God, she got me the bag for my birthday. And she just like got it early and she's going to hold on to it. Okay. I'm not, for sure. I'm not going to respond. Cause I know she just got me the bag. I can tell by what she just did. Anyway, Kylie posts this bag for her birthday being like, thanks mom, whatever for the bag. I call my mom and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like I turn into a monster. I have like rage and I'm like rage texting her like, and my mom's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Kylie just sent me a birthday list. I go, no, no, no. I have the same birthday list. It's not on there. Oh, I must have a different one. I call her assistant. Not on there. She, Kim, I have no clue what you're talking about. I go, mom, I had a full conversation with you. So I find it. I screenshot it. I screenshot my conversation with the store about whatever the whole thing. You're such a receipts girl. I can already feel it. You're like, let me show you the exact time you did this. I did. And I was raging. Wait, so does Kylie have it? She has it, but she doesn't even know that we had this whole fight. So can I tell you the sweetest thing? Yeah. Chloe goes, Kim, I feel so bad. I never knew that you were like obsessed, but I kind of knew you were obsessed because your whole team said, if you ever find this bag, if anyone wants to get one for Kim for her birthday, get it. So Chloe goes, come over. I got you one for your birthday and I'm going to give it to you months early because I feel so bad. And she gave it to me. Chloe is such a real one. Yeah. Dude. And Kylie probably has she used it yet. She doesn't even know. And it's so, she doesn't even know we're fighting over it. It is so ridiculous over a bag, but it was my most recent crush out. Okay. So is Kylie the favorite? Interviewee: I think a little bit. And I think that that's okay. I think she's the baby. And I think that, but like, I think it's warranted. I think she like has a really close relationship with my mom and is really sweet. I think like Chloe's also a big favorite. I don't know. She has like a different relationship with everyone, but I would say it's Kylie and Chloe. Okay. Okay.
Interviewee: Or just that- Season six? Interviewee: That's a thing, you know, but it was fun. Like, I think we even said like, oh my gosh, let's go do this. Interviewer: I remember that broke the internet kind of because everyone's like, what a concept that she's like- Interviewee: And an x-ray. Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Taking selfies on the way to drop Chloe off at jail. We'll never forget. Kim, stop taking selfies. Interviewee: I found so many of those in my computer. I keep everything. Interviewer: Okay. I was going to ask you, so you have it? Interviewee: I have all of them. Yeah. Interviewer: So when I know everyone knows, like Paris always iconically talks about how she has all of the laptops almost per boyfriend and she keeps everything. So you have- Interviewee: I have it all together on a hard drive and on my laptop and like, I upload it. Like, so I'm, what I do on my plane rides and my spare time is I have folders of like every person in my life that's ever been in my life, every family member, everything that ever I, like photo that goes on my phone, I upload them. So I just like spend time. So each kid has every single year in picture form, video form, like every video that I've ever taken, every event, I, every, you know. Interviewee: Every ex-boyfriend. Interviewee: Everything. Every, everything. Interviewer: Because you kind of have to keep it. Interviewee: I've saved everything. Interviewer: You're a receipts queen. You know. Interviewer: That's like the thing. Yeah. Interviewer: Oh, I keep like screenshots of conversations. If they're cute conversations. Interviewee: Mine are a little like- I keep them like just as like sweet memories to remember. I, I do have a problem of like only remembering the good. That's like something that is like a thing. Interviewer: Okay. I mean, that's better than only remembering the bad. Interviewee: Yeah. But I could see where that could go wrong, where someone comes back in your life and everyone's like, no, Kim, they literally fucked you over. But I feel like you wouldn't go back to someone that fucked you over. Or would you? Interviewee: Um, I'm a really forgiving person, but I really haven't dated like that to like have those kinds of toxic relationships since I've been divorced, you know, like I feel like that dating world is so, like from what I remember I would have, it would have been like, I would have been way younger. And like, I think when you get older, you just don't tolerate that shit. Interviewer: You don't have time.
Interviewer: No. So did you not eat? Interviewer: No. Interviewer: You didn't drink? Interviewer: No. Interviewer: You just kept this thing on all night? Interviewer: Yeah. Interviewer: No one saw your face? Interviewee: No, I was committed. Interviewer: Kim, well, we know you always commit. Interviewee: I was committed. I was really nervous wearing that. And Demna, the designer was really good at, okay, you don't really have to wear the mask, but like, let's talk about it. Let's like think it through. Let's like, you know, and that was like the thing. And he was like, an all wear one. And we'll just like, you know, he doesn't really like to, he's really uncomfortable with those events and really being out. So I was like, okay, perfect. If like you're here with me and then, you know. Interviewer: Okay. There were rumors that you wore it over your face because you had gotten a facelift that year. Confirm or deny? Interviewee: That's insane. I would absolutely love to show it off if I did, but no, I didn't. Interviewee: It was for the fashion. Interviewee: I would, that was like years ago. I would have been like, I don't know, maybe people do them earlier these days, but no.
Interviewee: Maybe it would like annoy me back in the day if it would link me to people that I had never met or been with, or if I had just met someone and sat next to them and said hi. And then it was like, oh, they're dating or they slept together. And they're like, just stuff that didn't really happen. That kind of stuff used to bother me, but I don't think anything really gets to me these days. Interviewer: Well, we'll clear some of it up today. Don't worry.
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Interviewee: I love being in an interview where you don't know what the questions are. Things can be so contrived these days, and I love walking and being like, ask anything and not genuinely. It's fun. Interviewer: I think it's going to be good. This game, it's going to get a little bit more heated. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewer: We've got this, Kim. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewer: Okay, this is why I asked you to bring your phone into the interview. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewer: It's called Confess or Text, Keeping Up with the Kardashians Edition. Here's how it works. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewer: I am going to ask you a pretty juicy question. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewer: You can answer it. We go to the next one. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewer: If you pass on answering it, you're going to go into that bowl. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewer: You're going to pick out a card, and it has a name and a text. You'll be texting this person that text. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewer: Are you ready? Do you have your phone? Interviewee: Yes, I do. I do. Interviewer: Okay, ready? How much a year do you spend on Glam? Interviewee: Well, a lot, but if I'm filming my show, then they pay for it. If I'm working, then they pay for it. So I try to get it all paid for so that I don't personally have to pay for it. Interviewee: Smart. Interviewee: Yeah, but a tally. I mean, I don't have a concept of what, like, certain simple things cost, which really is, you know, I'd like to know a little bit more about what, like, a milk carton costs. And, you know, let me think about this. Interviewer: You can text. Interviewee: No. I mean, it's probably- Interviewer: You, like, call your business manager. Interviewee: Yeah. I should know this, actually. Interviewer: You should. Like, six figures, seven figures. Interviewee: It could be a million dollars, you know? Interviewer: I don't think I'd be surprised at that, right? Interviewer: This hair isn't cheap. Interviewer: Babe, it looks great. Interviewee: You know? But I don't know. Interviewer: Are those K-tips? Interviewee: No. It's, like, my hair is to here right now, so I just, like, we braided it up and just, like, glued them on top. There was this, like, blonde, Chris Appleton was doing my hair once, and it was, like, blonde, and everyone saw these tracks, and everyone was, like, what the fuck is happening? But we, like, slick my hair back and then glue it on top. Interviewer: So you can maintain your hair? Interviewee: Yeah, just so that my hair- Interviewer: I think everyone always wonders, like, how do you get this? Interviewee: I have really good hair. I have really good hair. Interviewer: Okay, so maybe a million dollars. Maybe five. Interviewee: Not five. Interviewer: Not five. Interviewer: Not five. Interviewer: Below five, maybe one. Interviewee: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay, on to the next. What is something you probably should have gotten canceled for but didn't? Interviewee: I know what it is, and I think I'm going to get canceled if I say it. Interviewer: You're like, I'm not bringing that shit back up. Interviewee: Like, I don't know who approved this, and I don't know who thought that this was normal, this narrative, but I did a photo shoot with Justin Bieber, and he was 16 years old, and I don't know how old I was, and it was, like, a play. His girlfriend was there. His parents were, I mean, it was, like, nothing creepy at all, but I look back, and I'm like, that's the one thing that I feel like, you know, he's, like, a good, dear friend of ours and the whole family, but, like, who thought that that was a good idea? You know, I must have been 30 years old, you know? Interviewer: I could see that. I could see that getting murky. Interviewee: But it was a story of, what's that story with the teacher and the student? The graduate. Interviewee: The graduate. Interviewee: Oh, yeah. Interviewee: Right? I just feel like that was nothing ever weird was obviously happening, and, like, I just think that was, like, an odd concept, and why none of us thought that that was odd at the time. But now we look back, and I'm like, that would have not been the most appropriate thing. Wait, but I've never really done anything to be canceled. Like, I stand by everything that I, I've never said anything crazy, I've never done anything crazy, maybe just, like, by association, being around people and people thinking. Interviewer: You've been on the fringe a couple times, but it's never really got yet. Interviewee: Like, what do you think that I would have done? Interviewer: Well, I can't say that. Interviewer: Tell me. Interviewer: No, I can't say it. I don't need a whole nation coming for me. Okay, go. Interviewee: Text Courtney, I just record, I just recorded, call her daddy, and I want to give you a heads up of some things I said about you, and I don't have edit control. I was on the phone with her walking in on the way here talking about editing and something for something else about editing. Interviewer: Oh, God. So she'll believe this. This is kind of on brand. Interviewee: She will fully believe this. Hey, I just recorded, call her daddy, and I just want to give you a heads up on some things that I said about you, period. I don't have edit control. I'm a big voice talker. Interviewer: I thought you were, like, voice memoing her because of that text. Interviewee: Yeah, because if you say period, I'm not saying, like, period. Interviewer: Okay, that's good. Interviewee: Let's see what she says. Interviewer: Do you think she's going to freak out? Interviewee: No. Interviewer: But you guys are on good terms. Interviewee: Yes. That's, like, maybe a misconception that I think people think all the time, Courtney and I are like this. We are so close, and we've always been so close. Interviewer: I think it's because when we see you guys fight, but I have a sister, so it's like- Interviewee: They don't see the resolve. I'll leave it there so she calls back. They don't see the resolve, or they don't see all the moments in between. They just see us, like, fighting, and then they drag it on for months, and we're, like, hanging out, and we'll be good. And then it's just, like, I think sisters just, and if you're so close, and we, like, grew up in the same room together, like, it's just not- we would never not make up. Interviewee: And we make up really quickly, so it's just, like, kind of confusing or sad to us that we think that people think that we're not that close. We're probably, like, the closest. Interviewer: I think that makes a lot of sense. I do appreciate you clarifying that, because I wouldn't have expected you to say you're the closest, but I think- Well, I think Chloe and I are the closest. Interviewer: Yes. I know. Interviewer: But second, her and I just have, like, a lot of- Well, she's your older sister. Interviewer: Yeah. Interviewer: I have an older sister, and it's, like, I can fight with her and be, like, I will never speak to you again. And then I'm, like, wait, what was the link that you were texting? And she's, like, I thought we were done with each other. I'm, like, yeah, wait, but we will be up after this. Wait, tell me. Okay, is she typing? Interviewee: She's not responding. No. Interviewer: Okay, good. Okay, well, next one. Interviewee: Okay.
Interviewer: Pete Davidson. Interviewee: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Tom Brady. Interviewee: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Chris Humphreys. Interviewee: Mm-hmm. Interviewee: Mm-hmm. I think I'll text on this one. I'll get in way too much trouble there. Interviewee: Text Kylie. Interviewee: I'm sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP. Interviewee: Okay. I was just talking to her also. Interviewee: OMG, I'm sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP. Interviewer: That's sneaky smirk. Okay, wait, back one question, because even though you didn't answer it. Interviewee: I didn't think she was calling. Should I just put my ringer on? Interviewer: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Interviewer: You have to tell me. Interviewee: Hmm. Interviewer: How serious were you and Tom Brady? Interviewee: Oh, my God. Interviewer: Like a date? Oh, you're not going to answer that one? Interviewee: I'm not going to answer that one. Interviewee: It's like he's perfect timing. Interviewee: Hi. Interviewee: Filming or something? Interviewee: Hello? Interviewee: Filming or something? Interviewee: Hold on. I'm doing the Call Her Daddy podcast, and I wouldn't answer a private question, so I had to do that. Interviewee: We love you, Kylie. Interviewee: Like, there's no fucking way, and you're too smart, bitch. You wouldn't let her fuck with you like that. Interviewee: Kris Jenner. Interviewee: See? See? Interviewee: Bye, Kylie. Interviewee: Okay, bye. Bye. Interviewee: Okay, wait. I want to come. I want to do this. I want to do it. The podcast. Interviewer: Oh, this podcast? Interviewee: Yes. Interviewee: Okay, Kylie, you can come on next. Interviewee: Pull up. Interviewer: Didn't invite me. Interviewee: Just pull up. Just pull up. We'll make it a family affair. Interviewer: I'm roasting her right now. Get in here. Interviewee: Hurry. Help me. Bye. Pull up. Bye. Love you. Interviewer: I love how Kylie's like, this is what happened when Khloe was here. Your mom was like, wait, I want to be there. You guys all get FOMO of each other. Okay, are Kory and Kris still together? Interviewee: Yeah. Isn't that a weird one? That it said that they broke up? I don't know where that came from. Interviewee: Like, genuinely. Interviewer: Okay, so we can confirm. Interviewee: No, genuinely.
Interviewee: No, I never have. Absolutely. That I do not mind you asking. I never have. And that really sucks that that has gone on. But he dated Paris and we were all friends and we'd all like hang out. And when I was with Paris, we'd be on the road and go to like their tour in Amsterdam. And like, so I have been friends with him, but never like in that way. And never. Yeah, never hooked up with him. Interviewer: Did you have any heads up that you were going to be in his memoir, like reference as the cross? Interviewee: No. Okay. No. But I, it would say that we never hooked up. I mean, I don't think he would allude to that information, you know, but also Courtney was around during that time. So like they were neighbors for a decade. So like when everyone was all hanging, like he was always around with his kids. It's, they'd always come to Courtney's house for all the birthdays. So it was like, everything was super like open and cool. And like, everyone's been friends. He was just as good of friends with them as he was with all of us. So it was nothing weird.
Interviewee: What is the dumbest decision you ever made on Molly? I think I got married in Vegas. Interviewer: You did? Interviewee: Yeah. Yeah. That's what my research shows. Yeah. Interviewee: Okay. Yeah. But that was also like, I take all of my experiences. I said that and I have to remember if I like was at that moment or if we did it right after, but you know, maybe just like in those days when that was like a thing for me, just maybe getting married and not telling my parents and Courtney finding it on the internet because it was public record and then telling my dad and, you know, yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah.
Interviewer: There are rumors that you've hooked up with Post Malone. What is going on there? Really? Yeah. I don't know why. I've never heard that. Maybe the Skims campaign. Interviewee: But he is the nicest person ever. He is. I'm obsessed with him. I will say we FaceTimed at his campaign during the Skims campaign and he is like the nicest human being. And I wrote in our family chat and I wrote, oh my God, you guys, we just, you know, shot post for Skims and he is the nicest human being. And then Kylie sends a picture at her like 16th birthday. And she's like, do you remember when he performed at my 16th birthday? And then my brother goes, oh my God, he used to sleep over. And like we were, we would hang all the time. And then Scott would be like, oh my God, yeah. Remember we? And I was like, oh my God, I had no idea. He was like a part of our crew and we like all love him so much. He was one of my favorite interviews of all time. Really? He is. Did he say ma'am? Interviewer: I think I wanted someone to almost have a count of how many times he said ma'am. I was like. Don't you feel so like great when he's like speaking to you? You're like, oh my God, I feel so proper and loved. Yes. Good vibes. Yes. Good vibes.
Interviewer: Okay. What is the craziest place you've ever had sex? Interviewee: Probably a movie theater. Interviewer: Okay. Fun? Interviewee: Yeah. So fun.
Interviewee: Okay. Chloe, my friends are trying to set me up with this guy in the NBA. Honestly, what do you think? Should I go? Interviewer: She would absolutely know that's a lie. She would? Yeah. Because you've just like NBA is off limits. Okay. Interviewee: Do another one. Yeah. Let's see. Let's assess. Yeah. Let's assess. To Kendall, why am I hearing rumors that you're dating Tom Brady? Be honest. Would you hate me if I booked Bad Bunny for our next Skims campaign? Okay. Okay. Let's see what our options are. Okay. Scott, I think I may be into this guy who's a lot younger. From your experience, do you think I should go for it? He'd be like, hell yeah. Oh, fuck. TMZ just reached out, called me ASAP. I mean, I could do that. My mom will call me in one second thinking it's about her. Rob, Hulu really wants you on the next season. How much would it cost to get you on the show? He might be on the show this next season. I wonder what it costs. Interviewer: Who would be funnier? Do you want to fuck with your mom? Will she be funnier? No. So should we come up with a TMZ thing? Yeah. But what would it be? Okay. What if... Should we make it about her? Interviewer: Obviously. There's a leaked photo that's going to come out of you and they're being really sus and they won't say what it is. Should we see who calls back quicker? Chris or... Yes. And then I promise we'll move on. You're too fun because you have all these good sisters that will like play game. Interviewee: OMG. TMZ just called me. Call me right now. I'm freaking the fuck out. How many times have you sent a text like that to your mother? She's either so desensitized. Okay. Let's see how quick it takes her to call me. While we wait, you were 27 years old when Keeping Up With The Kardashians started. When you got this offer... Okay. Is it Chris? Interviewer: Real quick. What do I say? What do I say? Interviewee: I'm freaking out. I'm just freaking out. Interviewee: Oh my God. I'm just freaking out. I'm shaking. I can't even fucking talk right now. Interviewee: What? Interviewee: I... I can't. Interviewee: What? Interviewer: There's leaked photos apparently coming out. Interviewee: There's these... Interviewee: Hello? What? Interviewee: What? Hello? Interviewee: I'm just kidding. Interviewee: I'm kidding. Interviewee: What? Interviewee: I'm kidding. Interviewee: Kim, are you crying? Interviewee: Kim, you keep going in and out. Interviewee: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Interviewer: You're kidding? Interviewee: Yeah, I'm doing a podcast. The Call Her Daddy podcast. Interviewee: Chris, it's me again. Interviewee: Oh my God. You guys are fucking insane. Interviewee: I almost had a heart attack and I haven't even had my cocktail yet. Interviewee: I love you. Interviewee: Okay, I love you. Interviewee: Oh my God. I should know better. I should know fucking better. Interviewee: Okay, bye. Interviewee: Bye. Interviewer: Dude, you not being able to speak. I'm actually crying. Interviewer: Kim? Kim? Interviewer: She's like, what? Interviewer: What's wrong with you?
Interviewee: Oh, I just wanted to be famous. That was the goals. For me at that time, I just was like, I thought this was so fun, so cool. I didn't even think we'd get to a second season. It wasn't like a long-term goal plan wasn't in my thought process at that point. I was really business-oriented always. So like I would have worked and wanted to just do anything like that, you know, like had a store. I would have done any of that. When the show opportunity came about, I was just like, this is our moment. This is our time. And like, you know, Courtney didn't want to be on. And Chloe was like, whatever you want us to do. And my mom and I kind of like saw that vision. The Kendall and Kylie were so young. Rob was game for anything. And it was just such a fun experience. And honestly, the show has just brought us so much closer together. Having to like get up every day and work with your family. I mean, it would break a lot of people, but it really brought us like so close together.
Interviewee: Maybe the transition of my stepdad. I think that my mom didn't know how to handle it. Imagine Kendall and Kylie are like losing their father and their mind. And at that time, Caitlin wasn't very open with us about her transition and just kind of came out with it. So we had lots of different mixed emotions. I know Chloe was super emotional and upset about it. So we just never, you know, we're like learning this all for the first time. And then we want to be supportive for our little sisters, trying to be supportive for my mom that's now getting a divorce and making sure we don't say anything super offensive or even asking questions of like, what does this mean? And what is this term? And what is this? Like we, we didn't really know anything. So we just had to kind of figure it out. And we did it all on camera. Interviewer: How do you think you guys got through all of that? Interviewee: Just family. That's how we get through everything. We have each other.
Interviewee: Well, my dad's dad passed away three months before my dad. So she lost her dad and then her ex-husband. So it was a lot of loss. My dad was actually helping me with that divorce with a legal team and helping me like process that. I mean, I think that it was definitely a loss, but I was so young. I got married at 19. My dad passed away at 22. So I was just 22. You don't know a whole lot. Definitely a lot of loss and change. I was obviously super affected when my dad passed away. And affected like for the divorce. We were together for a few years, but I didn't really know what that meant then. And I was so focused on just like my dad and spending all the time with my dad that I could in those last like six weeks. So yeah, losing someone and you know your whole life will be changed forever is a really hard thing to go through. But, you know, again, family, we did it together.
Interviewee: I would have thought that I had, I had the best example of a dad, the best, everything. He had the best relationship with my mom during their divorce was super respectful afterwards when, you know, my mom remarried, like everything about him was super stand up and respectful. So I saw by example, what life can be like and how you should be treated and who you should, the type of person you should have in your life. So I think that I have made not similar choices to that. And that's confusing to me because I had such a great example that you would think that my, I would have just like picked a little bit more close to what I saw. Interviewer: So are you hard on yourself for that? Interviewee: No, I think that like, there's so many lessons in life. And if it was all perfect, like life would be so boring. Interviewee: So boring. Interviewee: So I'm totally good with the decisions and choices that have gone on and that I've made. And I take accountability for them and you, you learn and you have fun and you know, like there's so many good, even in like all these, you know, relationships that might not have turned out that way. Like I still had so much fun and learned a lot.
Interviewee: I mean, he was like larger than life and so smart and just always talked about like new ideas and things that I wasn't really familiar with. And I was always learning with him and it was always just, such a, such a fun time. Interviewer: Yeah.
Interviewee: I mean, I, I think there's obviously, you know, people can say that there was like signs and maybe I didn't, wasn't paying attention to them. And I think when someone has like their first like mental, um, break, you know, you want to be super supportive and you want to like help figure that out and you want to, um, really get into that with them and, and be there for them. Um, but I think that it just, um, when someone was, you know, isn't willing to, to make changes that I think would be super healthy and beneficial, it makes it really hard to continue on in a relationship that can be toxic. And that, you know, I think that, you know, when you have kids, it's definitely harder to leave than it is to stay and it changes everyone's life and, and forever, you know, so you really have to like take your time and wait and see, um, if there'll be changes. But once you get to a place where you feel like it's not going to change or get better, then you have to make like some serious choices on what you're going to do. And that's like a really hard reality to face, you know, I can't imagine. I, I guess I'm curious how, did you feel like you will often or ever felt like things are getting better? Maybe I can stay. Like, did you go back and forth often? Interviewee: Yeah, of course, you know, or you like, you want to believe that for a little bit and, you know, then you look at your babies and you're just like, but then you think like, you know what, if they see a good example of like, me setting boundaries and then once like my mental health starts to get affected and then I can't parent the way that I need to, and I can't be present and focused, then like, there's gotta be one of us that can. And I had to like save myself in order to be a better mom for everyone. And I think like when everyone's older, they'll be able to understand it and see that all. Interviewer: I agree. Yeah. It's such a hard time when you're kind of the only adult that's able to make the decision and you like look at your kids and you're probably like, I know this may not make sense now, but I promise it will later.
Interviewee: I mean, I think they would see it. A lot of like stuff would happen around my family. So it was really hard to like see my family get treated one way and then me being like, I'm sorry guys. And like then stick with it. I think people couldn't not see it. I think I got really disassociated and there was like so many times where I was just like really quiet and like just trying to figure it all out. And people can kind of see that on me during certain times. So I think, but also people were really compassionate and didn't want to say, Hey, we don't think this is healthy for you. Everyone tried to just move in a direction of being healthy. And so no one really sat there and was like, you have to get out. Like I've been in those, you know, where people are like, this isn't for you. And no one did that, you know, they knew that I had a lot of love and respect for that relationship and for babies and like that I would have done anything to really make it work. But you guys, obviously you're dealing with it with your family and they're living it. But then you guys were also one of the most famous couples in the world. How did the public perception of your relationship influence and affect how you kind of navigated everything? Cause you're not a normal person that can just be like, okay, it's a divorce. We're moving. It's like the whole world is looking and praises both of you in some capacity. Interviewee: I mean, I think that extra pressure just makes it a little bit harder. I think people were going to be, I thought like, Oh my God, everyone's going to be so upset with me. Cause I'm just like leaving and I wouldn't want someone to think I was leaving someone cause it got too hard. Um, but there was just a lot in there that, um, for my soul, I felt like I had to make that decision. And, um, I think people get it now and, and, you know, they might respect my decision and see that, but, you know, when you do have that outside layer, there is that extra, like, you know, especially I have had a few marriages that I didn't think that were for me. And so now like, am I a failure? And then I have to like, really look back at that and say, you know what, an over a decade relationship with four beautiful children is not a failure, you know? And I just, you can't think that way. You can't live that way. You can't worry about what everyone's going to say. And I have to come home to myself and I have to be happy. So.
Interviewee: Yeah. Yeah. It's like a lack of stability. Lack of stability was a big thing that I You're trying to be stable for yourself and your kids. And then there's a factor that you're like, I can't. So once you left, what was the biggest change that you saw within yourself? Interviewee: I walked away thinking that I would have like to live a different life, that I would not have a connection to anyone in fashion or art or like, you know, that was a big part of his life. And so I thought like, okay, I'm going to just like go back to a totally different world. And my happiness is like worth that. And it's totally okay. And some of my biggest projects came about after I made that decision and some of my best relationships with fashion and art and all these things that I thought I had to give up or told I had, you know, wasn't going to have anymore. And it was like the universe just like rewarding me and showing me that I was moving in the right direction. And I think that's like a really important, powerful thing is to like pay attention to the signs and pay attention attention to life and, you know, what happens and how you can be guided to make really good decisions, you know, but I have no regrets. Like, you know, I have four amazing, beautiful babies. Interviewee: They are beautiful. Interviewee: Yeah.
Interviewee: You know, it has definitely affected that, you know, there has been situations where like I'll get maybe close to someone, then it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I don't really want to deal with your ex. And I don't want to deal that like, if he's going to say something and I'm like, you know, so it has been like a little frustrating, but then I get really, um, like my person wouldn't care about that, you know, but it is a big thing and I get it, you know, it's not an easy thing. And I get that. Interviewer: I remember obviously when like the Pete music video and everything, I was like, oh, I can't imagine how Kim handles that. Right. Like in those moments, like having those conversations with people that you're seeing, you can't really control. Interviewee: It made me feel really sad. That really wasn't fair for him. And I felt so sad and sorry for him. And he was such a great like man that was like, I got like, don't worry. Like it's, it's all good. Or at least, you know, acted that way. And it just, it must suck to just be put in that position. So it's had me put up this guard where I don't want to put anyone in that position. So it's easier if I just maybe stay away. And, but then I can't live my life like that either, you know, but I am aware of it. And I, I do. I mean, I think maybe at this point, you know, it's like so a non-issue. I don't think he would say something, but then you never know.
Interviewee: I feel bad for them that they have to just deal with that. You know, it's really not fair to anyone to compare, you know, or, or especially if it's like, oh, well, he was acting this way just when they were together, you know, maybe when it first started. And then I was like, okay, you know, just time will play itself out. And like, it has nothing to do with me. And it's like, not fair to really blame me. But you know, I, I, it sucks, you know, cause I think like any high profile relationship that you're in, there's going to be some comparison to that person's ex.
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Interviewee: I am single and I feel totally, totally content. I've been single for a while. Interviewer: Is this the longest you've ever been single? Interviewee: Yeah. And I'm totally good with that. Like I have my kids to raise. I have like a life that like requires a lot of my attention and my kids just really need me right now. So it's like I'm there 24-7, you know, I don't know how I would fit something else in. So I'm just not looking. And it would have to be like someone super special for me to like, I've had all my fun. I've had all my phases. Yeah. So it's like now I just have to like be with my babies. Interviewer: Okay. But eventually you're, Kim, you're going to get back at it at some point. It doesn't matter when, but you'll get there. You're the most, probably one of the most famous women in the world. How do you even approach dating? Interviewee: Oh, it's like usually friends like- Set you up. Trying to set us up and stuff like that. So yeah, I don't know. Interviewer: Do you think men are ever too intimidated to pursue you? Interviewee: Not my person. My person wouldn't be. Interviewee: I was going to ask- I think I'm like really approachable. I don't think I'm like, you know. Interviewer: You are. Like I didn't know what to expect. Obviously I've never met you. You know how the industry is. You never know if you're going to, you've met many people I'm sure in the industry that you're like, oh fuck, that sucks. So you never know. And I was wondering if it would be unattractive to you if someone's like a little nervous. You want someone that's Interviewee: Confident? Confident, but not like, it's okay if they're nervous too. Interviewee: Yeah. Interviewee: But like they shouldn't be. So I don't know.
Interviewee: I think I'm a really good team player. And I think that I'm, I just like communicate really well and like, I'm a really supportive person. So if I, if we're like in it, we're in it and I'll do everything to support you. And I think I'm a really good partner.
Interviewee: I don't know how, I think it would be hard now. I've lived my life one way for a long time. And I do think it's hard to mesh your life with someone. I don't know, like, you know, Courtney and Travis came in with kids and like, you know, it's, it's an adjustment when you have like blended families. I don't, I just don't know if I have the energy or maybe I just haven't met the right person that I want to blend my, my life with. I don't know. Interviewer: I think you haven't met the right person yet. Interviewee: Yeah.
Interviewee: I think it's so different. I don't think I have a type. Interviewer: I feel like you either go so far, most of the time, it's either been music world or athlete world. And then there was like Pete. Interviewer: I know. Interviewer: If we had to pick today, are we going rappers or are we going athletes? Interviewee: Neither. Interviewee: Neither. Interviewee: I think we're going like lawyers and like longevity scientists that can give me all their secrets. Interviewee: Yeah. Interviewer: Oh, Kim. Interviewer: Yeah. Interviewer: I like that for you. Interviewee: Yeah.
Interviewee: Flash. I used to be attracted to like big and flashy and I could care less. Interviewer: What if he walked in and khakis and a polo? Interviewee: I mean, I would want him to dress simple. Interviewee: Like Birkenstock. Interviewee: Yeah. No, no, no. Interviewee: Okay. Interviewee: Like I want him to have like style. Interviewer: Or you could help him. Interviewee: Yeah. But like you kind of have to have it in you.
Interviewee: I have. Yeah. Interviewer: How did you find out? Interviewer: He told me. Interviewer: Oh. Interviewee: Mm-hmm. Interviewer: Immediately after or long after? Interviewee: Long after. Interviewer: And you were still together? Interviewee: Uh-huh. Interviewer: How did you deal with that? **Interview
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