Shakira: 'Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran', Healing, & Tour | Apple Music

no one plans on going through so many difficulties and the complex life experiences that i had to go through it's the first time i have to actually you know deal with so much as a single mother i just did what i thought was necessary for me i had to pick up the pieces of myself and then put them all back together and music was the glue shakira has been living with her success

in front of the world from a very young age these enormous groundbreaking heights gave way in recent years to some of the most challenging and difficult times of her life and she did what great artists do she took her story she told it through her most honest and important album yet and it's brought me to miami to sit one-on-one with the icon shakira it's good to see you how you feeling you feeling

good you feel good i feel good you're busy i know very busy yeah very busy it's been an intense week um been shooting a video shooting photos preparing for another video preparing for my album release so i'm going to sleep every day around 9 a.m the next day 9 a.m 11 a.m yesterday i i came home at seven in the morning my kids were already waiting for me so i had breakfast with them stayed stayed up with them sometimes i don't even go to sleep until it's their bedtime i'm running on fumes yeah for

10 years i would go and dj and the same thing would happen sometimes i get in at five six in the morning it would be like all right school run this is yeah i'll deal with sleep later yeah exactly that's what

i do because i want to spend time with my kids yeah and put them to bed and then i pass out so it's been intense but that's the beautiful i'm juggling it all it's it's it's it's the first time i have to actually you know deal with so much as a single mother yeah that's right um so it's it's challenging

um but they're they're great they're a great support did you have to tell the boys that you

were going back to work that i have work to do now i have music to make and things i want to say and so we're going to have to find a new balance were you honest with them about that yes they they

understand how important making music is for me how important it is to to to remain productive to feel relevant in society to find your own place in the community and they're really great uh understanding

that and supporting me i feel like this music though was made it's kept it's recaptured and built upon this relevance you spent your life establishing with us as fans and you're reaching more people than almost ever before but i feel that this this music served a different purpose for you that it wasn't like i need to make another album because i want to kickstart that relationship with my fans again and see what it means to us you had to make this music it had to come out yeah i i mean this album

is very conceptual but it it wasn't like that intentionally it's not like i planned on it being this conceptual it just happened um no one plans on uh going through so many difficulties and the complex life experiences that i had to go through um but you know life gives you lemons you have to make lemonade

life gives you lemons you pressurize four gems into existence and go through the process

well yeah i try to make the most out of those uh traumatic experiences um and in a way i sublimate you know a lot of desires and and elaborate my own frustrations my anger my uh feelings of dissolution and um and transform them into something productive into creativity into resilience and strength i heal through this music and i'm i'm still healing i mean it's it's a process but but music has

definitely been uh has played a very therapeutic role i said that when i write music it's like going to the shrink only cheaper yeah it does it does help you exercise a lot of intense emotions and and feelings that otherwise would just fossilize you can hear it in your performance i i've heard you

sing at the highest level and perform the highest level throughout your career on stage and on record

but i feel like you know i'd love to know whether you hear this too in your performance listening back to the record i hear notes that were somewhere else a sound that was tucked away and hidden until i guess that pain and that vulnerability found those notes i just hear your voice differently on this

record you do yeah wow i feel that my voice keeps changing over the years and i tell my kids that i said i sometimes listen to some music of mine with them not on purpose but it just happens you know maybe some a song uh some comes out on the playlist or on the radio or whatever and uh and and we listen together i was and i say i used to suck i don't like i don't like i mean i don't even know why i have fans i think uh i think i've evolved i like myself much better now as an artist but that's only me

some of my fans probably like me better in some other uh stages of my artistic life but i do think that i have evolved and my voice has changed so much it has thickened out it has and also stylistically i think that i have matured you know like i've made two different stylistic choices than when i was younger and i feel like i have a better taste now when i was there when i was younger but who doesn't feel that way no like you hope so you hope it goes that way most people feel that you know we look

at pictures from the past and like what was i thinking wearing that you know so the same happens to me artistically why did i dance that way why those moves oh my god that's just youth that's just

youth i i just yeah i like the fact that you've left the vulnerability and your performance on this record and there's even moments when i hear your voice crack a little bit and i can tell that you went somewhere that wasn't really about the performance it was about the release and i hear that on this

record yeah because it's not an intellectual process you know this has been a very visceral process uh the creation of this album the creation of each one of these songs and i haven't i haven't created these songs by myself i feel that it has been a process in which my audience also played an important role um because as i was going through these complex life situations they were there supporting me emotionally giving me their feedback and i was also finding myself reflected on their own

experiences there was an echo to these to these feelings that i was that i was encountering and and they were there like my fans my my my audience was there every step of the way they knew what was going on in my life they knew they were completely supportive and and understanding there was this communion you know so i feeling that level of support just kind of was a huge help for me was a huge um encouragement

for me to keep going i felt that there was a reason for my music there was a purpose i never thought that my fans would come through for me so much in such an important way uh as they did in the most important moments the most fragile moments of my life they were there each one of these songs were created like this having this this vessel as each song was being released i was i was feeling a lot of feedback from my from from from my fans out there you know and so that became it became a dialogue a conversation um

i felt that my experiences were reflected on these songs but a lot of their experiences and a lot of women out there who were going through similar situations uh as mine were also reflected on these songs so there was a constant echo a constant communication it wasn't a monologue and i feel that that made this process very emotional and very visceral and not not intellectual at all so that's why i allowed myself to be to be vulnerable in these tracks um because you felt safe

because i felt safe yeah exactly this album las mujeres ya no lloran women cry no longer yeah is actually to me when i listened to it a love album and i know people will focus on the first seven songs it it's almost like a concept album in reverse like you have to start side b to then go back and start side a and the end of side a is where we find you now after ultima and i i think about this

as a love album because not everyone is going to find everlasting love but everyone in their life if they're lucky enough will know what it is to love and lose everyone yeah it's part of growth and i think that's kind of what this album is when i listen to it is almost a tribute to that experience through the pain of it and the vulnerability of it and then the resolution at the end of it yes and

it's probably the most valuable lesson i've learned personally it's better to trust than never to trust it's better to trust and see um and see and find yourself betrayed than never to trust because like i try to teach my kids there's a lot more good people in the world and and it is worth it it's worth to love love is the most amazing experience a human can can live and no one should take away that

that opinion you know from you like i think that there's so much good in people there's so much uh and it doesn't matter the the shitty experiences you go through in life you have there's just there's

always a lot more to look forward when i went through some a lot of pain in my life um i i know it's because i care deeply about something and that change is painful but getting through that that really it shows the worth of the experience because the letting go is so hard only robots don't

experience pain um yet by the way pain makes yet yeah but pain makes you more humane yeah and the artistic experience of being able to take that pain and and transform it into something else that that is an opportunity and a luxury that us artists have we have the lecture the luxury of listening to

the music it helps us as well and i think that's that's something that getting back to your point about feeling the support of the fans it only came through the honesty that you were putting on display um i think about a moment for going through this gem is because the concept here as as i'm as i'm aware is that it starts with this passion involved and it's not linear but there's there's the passion the ruby gem of passion then there's the um the resilience of the diamond and the vulnerability of the sapphire and then the confidence of um the emerald and you know i think about that starting with

passion starting with the with the with the ruby the idea of love in the first place the idea of the journey that it puts you on and where you end up what was your creative spirit saying to you during those 10 years you were living in barcelona and you were prioritizing your family and learning to be a mother and a parent and a partner how was your relationship with your art during that time it was

kind of like a sometimes a love-hate relationship because i i every time i had to be pulled into the studio to to do my work i felt i felt that i was leaving my family unattended um so i i there were times when i really didn't enjoy it you know i felt guilt i felt uh i felt torn you know um but now it feels

totally different even though it's more challenging because i now i'm in charge of these two kids these two babies that depend on me so much and i'm a single mother i don't have a husband at home to to help out with anything um i in a way it's kind of good not to have a husband because

i don't know why it was dragging me down yeah it's like yeah like now i feel feel like working i feel like writing songs i feel like making music it's it's just it's just a compulsion it's a

compulsive need of mine that i didn't feel before yeah because you had been working non-stop throughout the majority of your decision making life from a very young age you had been very generous with us as fans with your time and your creativity and your and your work um it made sense i think even to the most die-hard fan that you were prioritizing something else and in a way i wonder whether or not you were you kind of realized you needed that you needed to stop and focus on something else focus

on family because it it had just been non-stop for you up to that point yeah and in a way i do feel

more completed now you know i feel the fans have really demonstrated uh their their loyalty and and by demonstrating their loyalty and their and their love i i felt so backed up i felt so they really got my they really had my back all this time and so i i feel they owe i owe them big time and so i'm working my ass off because i want to make sure that that that i give back to them at least a quarter of what

they've given to me they are the best fans in the freaking world i'm telling you there's i i don't know i mean i've had this career for so long i've seen so many artists grow and also have wonderful uh fans but i when i see my fans there's this communication this connection they they know me so well they understand me they're there for me in the good times in the bad times they're there for me whether

i wear jeans or torn jeans or prada i mean they don't care they don't care if i'm like chubby or skinny if i look older or younger if i'm with or without makeup they it's like true there's a true there's true sentiments there there's true feelings of love and respect and and understanding i want to go on tour i want to perform for them i want to perform each one of these songs um i want

to share this body of work with them i want to know what they think i want to be a better artist for them and also i want to be a good example for my kids so those are the biggest two motivations i have right now i want to show all my kids work ethics and and passion for for what you do in life and they see a lot of that coming from me and we also share our love for music sometimes jam together

like sasha is learning how to play guitar and milan is really cool drummer and so he gets on the drum sasha on the guitar i sing and we jam at home they sing on the record they're on acrostical yeah how was

that moment collaborating with them on that song because it's a very vulnerable song um and they're contributing to to me listening to it to part of the healing and i think as a as a parent having been through that as a child of divorce and also being in relationships in a relationship with our kids and we're married but you know you can't hide the tough times no you can't what that moment was like for you realizing that that that magical era of protecting your children from reality from the from the truth

of life you we couldn't keep that up anymore you couldn't keep that up what was that like it was a

learning curve um i had to there were many lessons in in that whole uh experience like you said society

maybe uh teaches us to conceal our feelings in front of our kids but i think that's a mistake because they know better and they perceive things in that in many different ways and and they can tell when an adult is lying to them yeah they want the truth they want the truth because if you don't give them the truth then they make up their own version of the truth they and their interpretations of reality could be completely wrong i messed up and then is when things get really complicated working for them

but if you if you're brave enough to talk about things talking about with them and and uh try to understand how they're perceiving reality as well and open up a conversation open up a dialogue where they can also give their opinions this is the vulnerability right this is the this is the and embrace their own vulnerability as well and know that life is not always perfect and we and sometimes it's okay to cry and sometimes it's okay to face losses you have to life is full of them

of losses what's important is that we learn to to express how we feel about these losses because otherwise then the body starts stalking you know the body talks the body speaks what the mouth doesn't

oh that pie you don't want to store it in the physical you do not want to keep it bottled up

exactly so they knew that my songs were a part of that process of healing the prior about catharsis they know that this is one of the one of my own ways to to to heal and to express myself is through my music and they actually they do it sometimes as well like milan i remember he wrote two beautiful songs during the whole uh separation process and and they were they they just they wouldn't make anyone cry

he he wrote two songs on piano and lyrics and uh whenever he feels a little down or he he goes to the piano he writes he writes music and that is also his his his catharsis his therapy so when they heard me singing this song in the studio how old is he how are they he's 11. wow amazing amazing he's 11. he's a he's a great musician he's i think he's probably gonna be a producer but he's obsessed with football he wants to be a soccer player so right now he's got that part but i i recognize that he's a

really great songwriter and producer and maybe one day he'll he'll take it more seriously but for now it's just

uh a channel you know a channel for him so when i was in the studio singing recording acrostico he used to come and visit me and um to my home studio and just hang out with me while i was recording it and they started humming it they started singing it and they said mom both of them can we sing can we sing this song can can can you can you turn on the mic and can we sing the mic and i said okay go ahead and so they sang on the mic and uh and they sounded amazing you're probably not thinking they're going

to end up on the record at this point right it's just like come hang out sure yeah yeah they start

singing in the studio you know we're just playing um but they sounded so amazing and they're like can we be on the record i'm like every parent's worst nightmare but they knew this song was for them yeah so it was organic it just happened in a very organic way on the record and they're like can we be on the video making things more difficult but then i thought you know what it just came from them and why not they want to share their instrument as well it's a beautiful song and it's again it's it's

just another example of um this album it's a very moving record it's not just about the you know a certain sense of resilience to vulnerability but there's also the anger that comes up too and i think about the bisa rap the volume 53 and i mean that's just a crusher it's a record-breaking record now and um you know i think about the bravery required to record that let alone release it was there ever any moment after you finished that session where you thought maybe i don't let this go

maybe i've got what i needed out of it just by expressing myself and maybe we don't release this

or was it always going to come out it was always going to come out the thing is that some people on my team wanted me to change the lyrics they were really scared about the reaction about the reaction from the fans i'm like i'm not a un uh representative you know i'm an artist and no one's going to tell me how i'm supposed to heal and no one should tell any woman how she's supposed to heal and lick her wounds you know and this is this are this is another time that we're that we're going

through like i know our mothers and grandmothers people would tell them to hide their tears conceal their feelings in front of their children and in front in front of society accept what they had to go through whatever it was and and that's it suck it up but now things are different and no one should tell anyone what their process should be like and so the song was the perfect vehicle for me to channel

all those emotions because yeah i've been going through like what how many stages of grieving five seven five whatever yeah in my case probably 12 or 20 um but in those stages you of course you encounter anger encounter uh denial and this is important to get to the acceptance but you can't skip stages you have to go through all of them and making all these songs is what really helped me

elaborate all those feelings and those intense emotions and turn them into productivity that's why the metaphor of the gems that's why the metaphor of the diamond the tears that became diamonds because it's been a transmutation it's been it's been like alchemy you know the the process of of transforming uh all of these emotions into something else you know you also did this in a way

that was in my opinion really gracefully public you didn't go i'm going to tuck myself away for two years and grieve in private you leaned into the music you can't do that unless you share the music it doesn't exist unless we get to experience it as a whole and you get the feedback you've talked about the confidence of people saying i hear you i love what you're saying and i love that you're saying it

and i just think that you came at this from a place of like i will control what i think is private or not private

and you know most people in your in circumstances would have been a lot more private and not being so upfront about it do you know what i mean like yeah it's i think people responded to the fact that

you were so open who knows i just i did what i felt um of course a lot of a lot of my feelings and emotions weren't um displayed uh a lot of it still is not displayed displayed but a lot of a lot of it was just because um it was necessary you know i just did what i thought was necessary for me yeah i had to pick up the pieces of myself and then put them all back together and music was the glue to do it

that volume 53 smash big record huge huge numbers did it alter what you were doing with your album after you realized that that had been so successful did it did it start to bring the confidence the idea of the emerald into the process yeah i guess uh the fact that i was able to

express my thoughts and feelings through my music and then find an echo and find uh

that i wasn't alone that there were other people also going through similar situations that i would go on the street and and maybe find other women who would feel represented through this music and say thank you yeah yeah yeah more than once many many times i i vividly remember the time that i that song had just come out and i went to drop my kids off at their school and another um another another school mom approaches me and tells me that she

was going through something um similar and she hugged me and she said thank you so much for your song your song it's just has helped me so much then i realized yeah this has a purpose this is not a purpose beyond myself it just transcends to other people like like music should you know like any artistic form should uh creates a bridge towards others and and uh that's how i felt that i was not alone that i was that

i was being heard and that i was that there were other people who were feeling identified and reflected

on this music as well you've been building that bridge your whole career i mean before it became such a personal dialogue with the fans about life real life it was through your own ambition and vision and drive the idea of helping to put the music that moved you that you were raised on on the world stage and it must have been so rewarding again making this album and seeing who you are through the eyes of

brow through the eyes of carol of cardi of gruppo of these newer artists who really walk in your footsteps you and a handful of other incredible artists putting this music from within the latin community music community on the world stage must have been so beautiful to see the way they were

reacting to you one of the things that i enjoy most about making music today is not only the immediate the immediacy that that you have as an artist you just make a create a song you can put it out next week yeah and and you get an instant feedback it's amazing yeah and like you know a few years ago it wasn't like that i didn't i didn't have that opportunity i had to put together a whole body of work before i could release it and you know i take my time so it would take two three years to put music

together and release it and share something that i was feeling at the moment and now with the digital platforms and music being uh so so immediate it's it's a whole different story and the other thing that i love the most about this this moment in time that we're experiencing in music is is the fact that i can collaborate with with with other people that also bring something to the table that's something that transforms you also in in different ways you learn something from all these collaborations

and it makes you grow it makes you evolve and and then and you end up with new friends you know so like i've become really great friends be close friends with visa rap and and rau and ozuna and all these artists who are just like so so close to me now and and it all started with a song

it's beautiful that you can strike friendships with new artists who are inspired by you and it keeps you motivated and keeps you engaged but it must be a trip for them because what you've achieved is is unheard of and so my question shakira is what is your relationship like with your achievements do you acknowledge them or do you leave them for somebody else to acknowledge you know i i don't feel

that way like when i have to collaborate with a new artist i'm the one who's nervous i want to make sure that i'm up to par i have tremendous respect for what they've done i don't want to disappoint them i know they come to me with with great anticipation so i want to make sure that i deliver something decent um and and that's the way i see every single project i do i am very demanding with everything i do um i enjoy it a lot more than what i used to when i was 20 25. why is that do you

think i don't know i guess you you learn to appreciate your your you know your your defects as well you're not like when when you're so young you just want to show the best but when and you're scared of losing

it too right when someone gives it to you you're scared of losing it right it's like oh my god

success exactly my audience has given me that confidence has given me that safety safety net so i can you know every now and then take a leap and try to do some some flips in the air and some of them come out come out great some of them suck but but they're still there safety net still there and and i continue to demand the best from from me i want to give the best i can always but i also

know that there are people out there who accept me the way i i am um i don't have to pretend i don't have to pretend to be something that i'm not i don't have to uh make that type of music that they want me to make or i can just be myself throughout my career i have i have that's that's been no negotiable i've been i've experimented with different genres but just because i want to just because i i'm curious to see what happens because i feel like it but not because there's some high executive at

sony music telling me what to do and what are my next steps it's i've tried to keep spontaneity as much as i can in my music and and to make a genuine career it's not easy continuing to be

spontaneous and authentic when you've had you have success at such a young age and i think your determination and the dedication to your vision and the fact that you're a producer i mean you produce this album with a few people but you're the you're the producer yes you produce the music and i wonder where that determination came from let's take the ruby and go right back are you any closer to understanding with maturity and growth what puts you on this path in the first place i think hardship

i think coming from um not so fortunate social economical financial environment you know make me put put that drive in me made me want to succeed made me very determined um the support of my parents the the their faith in me their endless faith uh gave me the confidence but i've been always very

self-critical very self-critical so that has also keep kept me on my toes my entire career that can be exhausting it is exhausting i'm very exhausted there was one producer once i worked with and he

said you have the impostor syndrome you know which one that is i know what that is what do they mean by that who says that in the studio who says that name names i want names on that i want name names

no but he's right he's right i mean why why do you think that because there's there's not enough grammys there's not enough uh record sales that will prove me that i'm that i'm good enough i feel like i still have a lot to to learn a lot to grow a lot of growth but um but i'm just more relaxed about it than a few years ago i'm just more i'm enjoying it more i really think that being in the studio is one of my happiest places it is my happy place it's the safest place is it not well that and and

you know my bedroom in the mornings when my kids come and just uh cover me with kisses that's the real stuff and that that's like that's really my happy place and then there's there's also the

studio where i can be myself but you talk about the idea of like it's you could take everything that you want and achieve but will it ever be enough like it that is an insatiable

issue like that's that's like a hunger that will never be potentially never be satisfied the idea of like when will success ever be able to validate my work and what i'm trying to achieve do you know what i mean like you have a statue in colombia yeah not just a statue by the way it's five stories high have you seen obviously you've seen i haven't seen it in person you've never been no i've never been to see it oh my god so that's this is the statue it's a reveal so that's the

statue that's the statue what you don't see is if you zoom back out look how small the human is next statue it's incredible um what does that mean to you the idea that where you're from is so proud of what you've become and what you represent that they would they would they would erect something that

would state say as much what that represents is that that any woman any little girl from barranquilla or from latin america or from any place in the world um where conditions are not the most ideal uh they can achieve whatever goal they set there's in their minds you know that i think that that statue is just an example of what happened to me that can happen to literally anyone in my hometown uh i feel

that it represents not only my own dreams but the dreams of all of the little girls and women and

it's a little girl that's standing in front of that statue in the photo that's what's cool about us it's just a you know i think it's that's beautiful i mean thank you you know the album goes through these the alchemy as you put it these stages of find rediscovering yourself and and going through the pain to come out the other side for it to really make sense there has to be some resolution there has to be a moment where you can let the experience go and embrace what's to come and i feel like

ultimate last that song is that moment on the record it it is pure surrender what is what i hear on

that song yeah that song it was the last one to that i wrote for this album and that's why it's called ultima when the album was literally closed and there was no more time yeah my time was up and i just insisted i said i got one more song here and it's like it's i gotta spit it out

or i won't be able to you know i'll choke i need i need to get this one out what is that feeling i'm

sorry hold that i need to know what that feeling feels like when there's a song in you that's dying to get out and you know it's there and if you don't get it out you'll regret it yeah it's uncomfortable

so especially because they were telling me the people at sony were like no no there's no more time this needs to be shipped otherwise we're not going to make it to the have the vinyls

ready you you can't do anything else to this album because i can i can like endlessly continue working on the album tweaking stuff mixing and never let it go so they were like it's time to it's time to let it go shakira let it go now i'm like no no no there's one more there's one more i have right here i'm gonna choke if i don't write it if i don't if i don't sing it if i don't let me just skim it one more afternoon and so i did it in one afternoon we recorded it and i mixed it right away

and i just felt so much better such a relief must have been hard at first though because that's a

that as a performance and as a song and lyrically is a very it's a benchmark song for anyone to write it's to let go of what you've been through and then share it with the world must have felt very

emotional yeah it was it's the last song i i hope to to have written to you know who um but

it's it's not only there for me it's for it's what's amazing about music is how people can connect yeah to the same experience or to the same feeling or even if they're not going through the same experience it's just the empathy and the the mirror neurons that we all have that make us see our own reflection in in in this music so when i play this song to the head of marketing at sony he came and he started to cry i have never seen a man cry in my studio before i've seen many women cry in my studio but no man

but he's a big softie but i started to cry with this song and i'm like oh okay i get it it's it's not only about me this song is not about me only or him or but i'm glad i was able to include it in the album even even if it's the last song the last song that i write to him i hope but i could always change my mind you could that's the artistic right

i think it's incredible what you've created it's a it's a body of work truly in the moment and in process and to execute upon it and release it and even to have the courage to sit here with me in front of everybody and and talk about it is um it's not easy this is the part of promoting your

album that it's just uh thank god it's with you i feel comfortable with using but it's it's not easy to relive all of those moments and get because that's what the music's there for you know yeah that's it's it's another way to to to relive uh the past but like you said it's not only about the past it's the past the past is in the past it's what's about to come now and what this album and this music is

about to bring to my threshold it's about resolution it's about resolution that's why we listen to this

musical we create this art is to find a way forward through this that's why i said i think this is a lot i think this is a love album i don't i don't listen to this album and think like it's not a you album in a way to me it's like uh thank god it was what it was and now wherever it goes from here then i take the learnings from that i move forward and i share them with everybody like yeah that's why this album

is not it's not called look how much i cry it's called women no longer cry because i think for ages society and even ourselves have enjoyed putting ourselves in the role of victims and it's it's a role it's very unproductive you know to to sit on that role in that position of a victim it's better to just look forward and look ahead and embrace your vulnerability but

turn it into creativity and and uh and just be ready for new challenges and get ready for touring

the tour of a lifetime i mean everything that you've achieved with a new body of work which is conceptual and deep and a brilliant album to be able to bring that to the stage and tour that now like you said with an eye on what balance is with your kids being able to pick and choose how they roll and how you can how you can make this architecture work for you must feel very freeing the idea of taking this on the road and seeing the world this time yeah i'm very excited about my next tour

i'm very uh curious to see what feelings i'm gonna experience on stage i think it's gonna be like a

celebration having having been through all of the the experiences that i've been through is like the the culmination of of all of that and celebrating surviving it and and but but also celebrating life celebrating friends and family and all of the good things that life is made of because the last tour

started off rough it was a tough start to that tour you know and i and i think about what the body and the mind is doing that we're not even aware of at the time and i think about like often the body breaks down first and goes and i wonder whether you think back to that time six seven years ago when you were touring el dorado and and perhaps your body was saying hey maybe this isn't the right time to go out

yeah i lost my voice couldn't talk i couldn't sing uh it was the hardest moment in my life at that time then what i had to encounter years later was i think i was in my top three but that was i i think i think back and i'm after all the the losses i had to encounter if i would have lost my voice definitely i don't know how i would have survived because imagine like at least at least

i had my voice my voice afterwards you know afterwards after after everything my voice has saved me by my voice has given me the chance to to rebuild myself reclaim yourself yeah i never thought at that time i never thought how important that was no it's like it's it's vital in my in my in my my personal experience is it's vital for me to have a voice yeah and it was a rough start of the tour but then i was able to also go go over the the hump and and and uh overcome those obstacles and i got

my voice back and i was able to celebrate it with my fans on the road and it was amazing and i can't imagine what this tour is going to be like i think it's going to be two times better oh

my gosh i it's going to be the greatest live music experience your fans have ever we've ever seen i

have the feeling that's going to be the tour of my life yeah and a chance to take your boys out and

show them the world through that lens yeah at an age where they can absorb and make memories must be really exciting for you as well because they would have been a bit younger on the last tour tough for them to experience it and remember things are they excited about that idea as well i've seen yeah

they can't wait yeah because last time i went on tour they were a little little young still and they don't remember a lot of a lot of places but they really want to see they want to see brazil they want to see they want to go to argentina they want to go to uh places in europe and

and get to see the us more deeply so yeah it's going to be it's going to be really something to be able to at least have them even if it's small periods um on the road you know there was a quote

that i read to try not to re-quote but it really it was it really stuck with me which was that you know when everything seemed to be at its best i was unable to manage my emotions in a way that was that that was kind of appropriate for you you know that everything was the end of the world when actually everything seemed to be exactly where it should be and then of course the world changes and and life happens you come through that and you get to take to take a step back and take a look at it with some perspective what do you truly value now and and has how do you really put life into context

for yourself now what's really truly important to you now friendship friendship i think friendship

lasts longer than love um though i still think experiencing love fully experiencing it with all its with its peaks and valleys it's so essential to human life so you still love love i love love but i think i even love friendship a little bit more because i thought love would be there forever for me and and that's one of my you know broken dreams perhaps i will i don't know if i'll like

you know find it again probably not but i don't know but friendship i have friendship i have i wasn't one of those people who valued friendship as much i've i've been i've always valued family and and and and and and having a partner been a couple i've always been a couple i've always been in a couple um but then when that wasn't there i and when i lost my voice and when i had to face the the darkest

and the the hardest moments of my life friends were there friends were there um and and they kept me they kept me together those and those who did really showed me the the true the true meaning of of of life you know i might not grow old with a with a partner but i i will grow old maybe with with

surrounded by good friends thank you for just being a true artist and honoring your art and honoring your truth and being like i said courageous enough to share it with people it it helps right music helps it helps you you know and it and it definitely helps us um i've really enjoyed our conversation and i

really appreciate your time you know i appreciate your time and thank you for helping me find a way and a channel to to talk about this process my music and making this album it's a great opportunity not everyday artists have this platform you know to read to discuss how how you how you go through a creative process in detail yeah and thank you for your accent i love it please don't ever change it

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