Referenced Resources

Here is a list of all resources mentioned in the interview, categorized by type:

People

• Alex Cooper - host of Call Her Daddy and the “founding father” of Daddy Gang.
• Michelle Obama - guest on Call Her Daddy, former First Lady of the United States.
• Barack Obama - husband of Michelle Obama, former President of the United States.
• Meredith Coop - designer of Michelle Obama’s outfit for the interview.
• Vance - Michelle Obama’s ski instructor and “ski husband” in Aspen.
• Henry and Bruce - Alex Cooper’s pets, mentioned in the context of enjoying nights in.
• Matt - mentioned as someone who can join Alex Cooper on the couch.
• Hillary Clinton - mentioned as a past favorite in Iowa politics.
• Jane Goodall - naturalist and primatologist, mentioned in the context of her continued drive to learn.
• Jane Fonda - actress and activist, mentioned as having a conversation with Michelle Obama on her podcast about aging.
• Beth Ann Hardison - mentioned as having a conversation with Michelle Obama on her podcast about aging.
• Jonathan Haidt - social psychologist and author, mentioned as an expert on social media.
• Scott Galloway - marketing professor and entrepreneur, mentioned as an expert on social media.

Organizations

• Call Her Daddy - the podcast where the interview takes place.
• Daddy Gang - the fanbase of the Call Her Daddy podcast.
• T-Mobile - a sponsor of the podcast, mentioned in an advertisement.
• Princeton - university Michelle Obama attended.
• Harvard Law School - university Michelle Obama attended.
• The White House - residence and workplace of the US President and First Lady.
• University of Chicago Hospitals - organization where Michelle Obama worked.
• Girl Scouts - organization mentioned as a place for young girls to connect.
• UN (United Nations) - mentioned in the context of Barack Obama’s meetings.

Documents

• The Book (referring to Michelle Obama’s book, “The Light We Carry” or a similar title focusing on fashion/values) - discussed in detail, covering themes of values, confidence, fashion, and empowering women.
• The Light We Carry (explicitly named book) - Michelle Obama’s book, discussed in the context of its themes of values, uplifting women, and building confidence.
• Books - Michelle Obama mentions reading a lot of books in preparation for her podcast.

Tools

• Phones - mentioned in the context of addiction and social media usage.
• Computers/Laptops - implied as a tool for accessing social media and online content.
• Social Media Platforms (generic) - discussed as a primary arena for objectification, comparison, and negative self-talk.
• Tick-Tock - a social media platform, mentioned as a source of information that can feed users their own preferences.

Technologies

• Social Media - discussed extensively as a platform that amplifies issues of objectification, competition, and mental health challenges.
• Algorithms - mentioned as a reason why social media feeds users information that aligns with their existing views.
• The Internet - implied as the medium through which social media and online content are accessed.

Concepts/Other

• Skiing - a hobby discussed by both speakers, including different skill levels (blue, black diamond, moguls).
• Knitting - a hobby of Michelle Obama, which she has not done as much recently due to reading.
• Ski Motorcade - security detail for Michelle Obama while skiing.
• Ski Patrol - mentioned in the context of safety while skiing.
• Mothership - mentioned by Michelle Obama as a concept related to her own upbringing.
• Relationships and Sex - mentioned as a potential topic for an “OG Call Her Daddy” episode.
• Patriarchy - discussed as a societal structure that can breed competition between women.
• Misogyny - discussed in the context of societal expectations and how women are treated.
• Therapy - mentioned as a tool for personal growth and understanding, both individually and as couples.
• Self-determination - a theme in Michelle Obama’s book.
• Gender Gap in Confidence - a concept discussed, highlighting how women are often underestimated.
• Imposter Syndrome - discussed as a struggle for women.
• Unearned Confidence - contrasted with imposter syndrome, attributed to men.
• Work-Life Balance/Multitasking - a central theme for women, especially mothers.
• Career Track vs. Motherhood - discussed in terms of the pressures and sacrifices women face.
• Jarred Baby Food - mentioned as a practical solution for mothers.
• Breastfeeding - mentioned in the context of maternal choices and pressures.
• Bounce Back Culture - critiqued in relation to postpartum recovery.
• The “Mrs. O” Website - a website that focused on Michelle Obama’s fashion and appearance.
• The “Kitchen Table” Friendships - Michelle Obama’s term for her close circle of friends.
• The “Mean Girl” Phenomenon - discussed as a prevalent issue among younger generations.
• The Demonization of Aging Women - a societal issue discussed, contrasted with how men age.
• The “Angry Black Woman” Stereotype - mentioned in the context of Michelle Obama’s public perception.
• The “Us vs. Them” Mentality - discussed in relation to gender and political divides.
• Compromise - acknowledged as a necessary part of life.
• Leverage - discussed in the context of women navigating societal expectations and gaining power.
• Dress Codes - mentioned as an example of societal expectations placed on women.
• The Equal Rights Bill - mentioned in historical context of women’s rights.
• The Arc of the Universe Bends Toward Justice - a quote attributed to Barack Obama, used to frame societal progress.
• Hogwarts - a fictional school from Harry Potter, used as an example of fantasy.
• Algorithms - discussed as a mechanism that feeds users content they already agree with.
• The “Male Gaze” - implied in the discussion of objectification and societal expectations.
• The Second Sex - implied in the discussion of women’s societal positioning.
• The Political World - a context Michelle Obama is familiar with.
• The Relay Race of Progress - a metaphor used to describe generational change and responsibility.
• The need for New Vision/Energy in Leadership - a reason Michelle Obama believes in term limits for presidents.
• The Trump Inauguration - mentioned as an event Michelle Obama chose not to attend, symbolizing her comfort with saying “no.”
• Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Campaigns - mentioned as examples of qualified women facing challenges in the political arena.
• Vice President (referring to Kamala Harris) - mentioned as a qualified woman who ran for office.
• Grandmothers - mentioned in the context of aging and wisdom.
• Mothers - discussed in relation to their influence on shaping young men.
• Unearned Confidence - a concept contrasted with imposter syndrome.
• The Gender Gap in Confidence - a concept discussed.
• The Political Arena - a space where gender dynamics are at play.
• The concept of “going high” - Michelle Obama’s philosophy on responding to adversity.