Joe Rogan Experience #1227 - Mike Tyson

three two one boom and we're live what's happening joe what's up mike tom segura's in the house for a few minutes here to stop by to say hi i can't believe you never had a cup

of coffee never you want something no that might be no that might be the most outrageous thing

about you is that you've never had coffee your whole life never had coffee no did you just tea

never coffee no one ever offered you a cup of coffee you never went to starbucks never no for

tea or some donuts wow what about like those when you um when i was in um you know when you're in rehab you always gotta go to starbucks because the meeting's right outside at starbucks you always hang out at starbucks right but never for coffee you didn't want to try it never that is that how

about like like girlfriends wives like none of them ever like coffee drag coffee at home i'm sure they

have but i never really my wife drinks it and you just nothing no nothing no no well i'm so addicted the stuff i did all the drugs i did you think coffee would be nothing yeah that's what i'm saying

yeah that's what i'm saying like it doesn't make any sense when when did you first try any drugs um

kid 10 year old nine years old what kind of shit smoking and drinking right then as i got older i tried acid how old were you when you first tried that probably 11. wow yeah really young jesus man wow that's

really young wow but when you were the champ when you were in your prime like when you when like when you beat trevor burbick were you doing anything back then it's drinking a lot drinking a lot really

yeah that's amazing would you go clean for camp or like if it can't just for camp yeah but outside

like once fights over yeah i'm an animal yeah yeah you were the first guy that i ever used as an example of uh to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights and i was like well that's out the window for sure because you you would talk about it all the time you'd be like yeah yeah pretty

much yeah

your logic made sense too you're like i don't want to think about it i don't want to be thinking about

sex i'll just get it out of the way yeah and it's over with you have to do it you have you refuel for the next um six weeks and yes going with your fight do you think that was a myth that it made you weak yeah i think it's a myth yeah it doesn't seem to make sense it seems odd yeah and then that like whenever there's the olympics you more so than you know disintegrate you yeah i would think they said

that the olympic uh you know where the athletes stay is just like fuck fest of course i think so

yeah they have the boys and the girls they're the same vicinity yeah also probably want to alleviate

some anxiety anxiety freaking out you're at the olympics you know you're 18 years old yeah and everyone's in amazing shape yeah stressed out stressed out yeah when you were when you were first coming up and when you were first uh you like when you were kid dynamite on sports illustrated i'll never forget that man that was a that your era from like you know the the 80s the late 80s that era like it was a big part of my youth you know like you being yeah man you being the

champ it was like it was a change of things because when larry holmes was the champ as a boxing fan i loved larry holmes like there's that cover you were 19 years old right yeah it's nuts when larry holmes was a champ as a boxing fan wow you still got that stuff man you can still get those yeah sports illustrated it's the internet you can find it on the internet that's how jammy got it

um i had that sports illustrated but when larry holmes was a a champ as a boxing fan i appreciated him i knew he was a great fighter i i you know we would get together with friends and watch like the the the michael spinks fight with larry holmes yeah when spinks beat him for the title it was a big deal but it wasn't a big deal culturally yeah people didn't care as much but then you came around and when you watching heavyweight boxing if heavyweight boxing wasn't it wasn't boring again it was the the most

crazy exciting thing in sports when your fights would go on it would be about should i pay for this because how long is this going to last like that had never existed yeah that's pretty weird people tell

me about the time they all chipped in yeah i never think about it like that you know sometimes um

when it comes to my realization of the situation i forget that i'm that guy i forget that i trained that

hard and i became a fighter and stuff yeah that's what i was gonna ask you like do you does it seem like a dream yeah pretty much like a blur because i couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old 20 years old to be that famous it was a trip who who can handle that is any can anybody

handle that no it was a trip but it was just what custom model you know that was his blueprints to make

me right a teenage superstar did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame and oh the pressure

and everything but you know um he says really no um ingredients in how to handle fame you know i mean um we have to see what what um department of fame is your problem and we have to work on that issue from there but you know no one knows how to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure

no it's at the level of fame too it's like there's so many you realize there's so many levels of fame and then mike's is still just extraordinary where like people people walk away from their job like in an airport they're supposed to be at the cash register and they run out you know they leave their job to go say hi that's not you know most of the time you're like oh that's who that person is it's a

totally different thing how weird is that that's pretty weird when i took took time for me to get used to that stuff i used to be one of those get the fuck away from me man what are you doing you creep you know because i never knew how to conduct myself yeah mike come here take a picture of my mother take a picture of my kid take a picture here take a picture here i love you just and that i'm like whoa dude cool out you know i mean but now you know i understand this is just what it is it

is what it is and you're not gonna be able to stop it yeah i've seen you at the ufc before you're very calm around people when people grabbing at you want to take pictures you just just relax the usc is awesome because everybody's nuts yeah yeah that's a it's it's definitely a wild environment what do you think khabib's gonna do now what i think who khabib yeah um well he does whatever the fuck he wants to do that's what i think i think that guy's probably the best lightweight of all time he's a monster incredible he um i think he's probably gonna have some fights at 170 pounds eventually

if i'd imagine at 155 there's you know there's good fights for him tony ferguson's a great fight for him um i'm really interested in seeing that uh i'm really interested in seeing him going up i'm really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds who's up there from the fight

well first of all tyron woodley who's the champ at 170 that that would be an insane fight george st pierre if he decided to come back and make a big super fight that would be an insane fight i think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him but i think 155 does too they just have to figure out who's going to fight him he's an international superstar now you know khabib especially the way he smashed connor connor's such a superstar already that the way khabib won and did it so dominant i think he's i think he's through the roof now i think when people when he comes back and people see

the pay-per-view numbers of his fights are going to realize how how huge this guy is because he's so interesting he's very humble very very he's very polite very well-spoken very religious guy lives with his family lives with his parents lives with his parents and his family i believe yeah i hope i'm not speaking out of school i believe that's true and obviously doesn't have to for money i mean he's rich as shit now yeah but he's just a monster the best best grappler i've ever seen inside the 155 pound division he just smashes people what do you think about john jones though what in what way and

his skills he's phenomenal incredible the best ever using distance he knows distance better than anybody he's a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him i miss watching him fight you know what i mean he's not fighting much anymore he's back he just won just won the title again just fought alexander gustafson yeah yeah a couple weeks ago yeah for bacon title it was daniel cormier relinquished his title and it was like it's weird right like cormier is the champ because john jones tested positive for something so they stripped him and then cormier became the champ it's uh you know

i think they'll probably fight again whether they fight again at heavyweight or light heavyweight really yeah i think cormier and john jones if cormier wants to if he wants to keep going but he says he wants to retire soon he's 40 you know yeah he still looks good though he looks great especially at heavyweight in heavyweight he's he doesn't have to cut weight he's got so much strength and just so agile he's such a unbelievable wrestler too i mean his wrestling skill his skill level and understanding of wrestling

is so high it's so above most people anybody fight outside of jing john jones he dominated yeah

yeah that's how good john is john's that good he's that i mean it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life but i'm hoping he puts all that behind him have you ever spoken with him

about that yeah yeah never about his personal life anything but we met before and talked but you're

a guy who's gone i mean when you went through legal problems yourself you you overcame you came out of it on the other end i think would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from yeah but you know so

it's just so difficult and it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that you know do you think so yes it's really unfortunate you know because sometimes people um they don't survive situations like that because they're so wild and they're having a good time too much in the party and end of the champ it has to it has to come to an end that stuff if you don't bring it to an end it's gonna bring it to it's gonna come to his own end it might not like that way it

ends yeah so you think for a guy like him maybe getting in trouble was a good thing if only if you learn

from experiences like that you know i think i was just a wild guy i was really a wild guy i look at myself now i say to myself when i spent all those um trips in those um psych woods and stuff what was that all about what was wrong with me back then you know yeah and i must say i was really disturbed

back then but you're somebody who got to the point where you got like it's really fascinating because i know you know you're a public figure so we i you know i've been able to watch you my whole life you went through all that stuff and then you got to this point where you're very self-reflective and you look at you are able to comment on it i don't think most i mean most people regardless of whether they're famous or not just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and and doing wild shit and with ruthless honesty yeah that's what's so

great reflecting yourself to discover who you really are yeah when you're 20 years old and all of a

sudden you're the heavyweight champion of the world just a few years ago you were poor and now all of

a sudden you're the king of the world that's really crazy you know so young it's really crazy i was i was unable to handle that i wasn't expecting that that was a really sucker punch right there

that's a real sucker punch right there i wasn't ready for that one charlie murphy told us a story and it's animated it's on youtube now of you and him coming over your house in a limousine and you had was it a lion or a tiger tiger he must know it was a lion but yeah the tiger dude it is one of the

craziest fucking stories i always when so for people that don't know i got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time and it was a great i had the best time talking about everything what made you think you could get a tiger like how did that even happen hey i'm in um this is really interesting

i'm and so um i'm in prison at the time so i'm in prison i'm talking to my car dealer at the time and he has a he has some cars that belong to a friend of mine that's both a friend of ours and he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars i'm gonna sell these cars to somebody and get some horses and stuff i said well you can get horses and trade horses in for cars because i had a lot of cars i thought i'd probably get some horses too and he said yeah man you get you get cougars lions tigers i know this guy got excited i said you do can you get me some tigers he said yeah and the

guy told me and the guy said man imagine how cool that big you be because i had a bunch of fans because imagine that man you'd be in the aston martin or for robin you have a tiger right next to you and i'm a young guy i'm saying to myself wow that would be cool right after yeah get me some cubs man and then when i came home i had those cubs right there waiting for me so you raised them as cubs

yeah because that's that's how you were because i would see footage of you like fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers and i was like holy

shit and i had them since they were babies they had their mothers their mothers their babies now

it never gets this is a crazy picture you in your underwear with a tiger on a chain that is that is one of the that's the chance right there that's you at peak crazy yeah insane yeah

time what was going through my mind i don't know what made me think about my friend said mike you can get some awesome animals and i think really are you serious i'm gonna get some horses

everybody does it though those are one of the things about uh with what's his face from narcos oh pablo escobar he got like a zoo yeah yeah i had a whole crazy zoo they all do it once you get

like that rich you're like just get some animals yeah you want to fuck with some animals

and they throw people in there with the lions and tigers huh yeah

it's a real common thing that is super rich people they start getting lions that's right

tigers and shit michael jackson had all that stuff that's right

michael jackson michael jackson and everything yeah they never land too you have to have like a zoo in his back that's true but he had weird shit like weird birds yeah i don't think it maybe had a monkey or something he did have weird no nothing dangerous

i hung up there before at the playboy mansion this is at the end of his career that was like in what was it 10 years ago or something it was pretty awesome yeah that guy man what a life he lived you yeah oh and his um pajamas they're sucking his balls when he's 80 and

shit they're like oh no it was 80s deep into his deep yeah in his 90s yeah that's yeah he really here's the thing that dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about you know a lot of people talk shit yeah you don't really do that he was really doing it oh he really is if i started living that

lifestyle i'd be dark i started getting dark you know you can have a little you walk that's just

amazing too much uh yeah too much wait one other thing i gotta because i gotta run and i wanted to where you going man i gotta go i gotta go meet the wife man oh yeah but they'll do it um i read one time because all right so for people that know i i met mike on a flight and it was a surreal experience you know like from from being a kid and thinking like this is superman that's what i thought as a kid it's just you know i mean like seeing those when you see it as a kid too i think it's different like you're just like whoa that is so nuts like these 11 second knockouts and you know it's so bizarre

periodically even to this day people come up to me and talk about the experience that they saw him and he talked about meeting me and said is that true

all the time it's special it's honest it's on uh it's on mostly stories is that true yeah mostly stories and it was uh it was a surreal experience and and you know we spoke on the plane and and then like when i thought we were done talking you know i faced forward and then he came back and like tapped me on the shoulder i was like oh shit like mike's talking to me i'm down here like seat belt seat belted in but then we land and and he was like oh where's your show and and and i go oh here it's here i give him the number never expect to hear hits me up the next

day and he's like we're coming to your show and i was like oh my god and i really did say like i'm amazed that you're coming and he said it's all love and i just said i love you because i didn't know how to what to say and then that was good he's like cool he was he's like all right man and then i have the phone and then i i remember i called the uh the pittsburgh improv manager and i go hey man i just go you're not gonna believe this but tyson's coming to the fight tonight he goes mike tyson i go no fucking tyson chicken yeah mike tyson's coming tonight he's like i'll corridor off a

whole thing and you know and i didn't know he was at the show because it the show had already started and i didn't see him arrive when we go back to the green after i the show i walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes let's go to the green room so he took me to my green room right like he was like and i was like fuck yeah and we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking and when i forgot like the time had passed i opened the door the entire staff entire staff

is lined up at the door to meet him like that's the effect that he has on the group you know like they're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room and like you know we talked about boxing about life it was it was fascinating um one of the things i really appreciated about uh you as a fighter was like that you really knew that you were putting on a show so that that's something that i feel like i miss you know there's there's no one that put on the show the way you did like you knew that people bought tickets and and paid for the pay-per-view um and then it you know it's still like one of my

great memories man it was a thrill to meet you um so i just wanted to stop by and say hi sounds like you're wrapping it up yeah he has to go i do i do oh by the way did you buy seven bentleys

that were the same color no but i bought around seven bentleys before damn they're rose royces i wanted

to ask you did give away one when you crashed it right yeah let me tell you that story i wish you

at the time robin givens and we were in some fast food drink we were ordering food and she went in my pocket i guess to get some money out of my pocket to pay for and she had some some condoms came out and she was mad so she got in the car and then boom she crashed the car into another um car that was just parked there boom and she hit somebody and she hurt their arm and then um the cops came and so the cops came and the cops were saying hey what happened here right and um i was afraid

that they were gonna arrest me or arrest us so i said well nothing happened officer um nothing and the guy was and it was the guy with a broken arm i said you know sir why don't you just take the car you know you deserve because you've been doing a lot because i didn't want to get arrested i didn't have license anything i didn't want my wife to get in trouble i said why don't you just take it you know maybe it was around 230 at the time so why don't you just take it it'd be okay and the guy said hey don't tell me that and then once he said that i got him i said i got him and i said hey man take it man do this man you deserve this take it and they took it but before that the guy some guy arm was

broken and he i gave him my money i said i'll take the money and then he came back to the police my arm is better now you get away from me i'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car because the guy oh that's not going to get me again that is hilarious so the guy is backed off and i say hey go ahead man i'll see you later and i took off my wife i didn't want us to get in trouble but they made him give away the car right they made him no he because i went back to my office i said get my fucking car back i went to the really yeah he got fired he did yeah yeah oh my god he's probably hearing this night i'm gonna get

that bastard tyson i wanted my indian give i wanted my car back oh no you imagine mike tyson calls you

up and says give me my fucking car man like shit yeah it's outside man i got it god damn it listen

i gotta tell you something i gotta tell you something you guys know i embarked on the marijuana business yes it's been this right this is this uh beautiful box that is a beautiful box by the way awesome thank you man for accepting it my pleasure yeah that's that's a cool ass box man yeah tyson ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly yeah you guys have them too i saw the plans

this is a big deal i mean this place is gigantic which uh state it's it's in california it is here yeah yeah they're they're setting up like a resort really yeah yeah oh it's gonna be the best um

facility in the world man it's gonna be um it's gonna have an acre long um lake wow yeah you could go like you know it's gonna be camping glamping like glamping glamorous camping glamorous camping

how about some tigers and shit put some wild animals it's a possibility my partner rob hickman was

discussing that too where are those tigers well i had them for like 14 years so i had to get rid of you know what do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger a sanctuary oh all right

fuck i gotta run i love you i love you i love you too buddy look better cannabis dude there it is

yeah congrats on that man that looks dope awesome man i'm so excited about this stuff this is um

i love embarking on this cannabis stuff this is so awesome yeah you're you seem to be really enjoying this like when you're talking to your partners out there you're you're having a good time with this

oh man i never thought that in a million years i'd be able to do this and legalize yeah when did you start like regularly smoking weed um since i was like 10 years old the whole time you were fighting you were regularly smoking weed well you know when you're a kid your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for you make you think that you're gonna go to sleep or something yeah really yeah that

never happened in my house never yeah my mother was alcoholic damn that's that's harsh liquor and marijuana see if you go to sleep yeah it didn't work i don't think so no i think so do you uh what what what benefits do you get out of marijuana like what does it do for you hey man um if i didn't i have a

bad day yeah i'm really moody guy without it and it just um it smooths me out so i take it i'm a whole

different person i'm really on top of my game i'm boiling yeah i feel the same way sometimes it makes me nicer yeah yeah calms me down do you um do you i like who i am when i smoke you know i mean when i'm

when i weed i don't sometimes like who i am sometimes that's just the real yeah yeah i don't

like that guy i want to get away from that guy well you know i was talking to michael irvin once he was explaining to me that when children grow up in high stress environments that their genes are wired to to have a propensity towards violence that if they're norm if it's normal if it's around them all the time when they're when they're growing up and when they're in the womb yeah i agree when their mother's under extreme stress if they live in a bad neighborhood and it's it's hard for some people like yourself that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you're at right now

just a place of peace and if you can do that through marijuana or whatever it is yoga meditation whatever whatever you do to get there like we should be happy that you can get there that's what we

listen i am so grateful that um i embarked on this you know i've never been a person to this its magnitude of this kind of relaxation i was enjoying my time with you i was very uptight and i was very uncomfortable with myself did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that absolutely but my works out um you know what um the best thing that ever happened to me that i retired from boxing because me working out and me getting i was so intense with this my whole my whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best and my ego took over and i'm like

tyson i'm the best to ever live and all this bullshit and um

dealing with my partner rob hickman i happened to embark on this um come across this thing called the toad are you familiar with the toad yeah what you're talking about is five methoxy that's it right there yeah yeah and i came across that um i smoked this um i don't know this medicine drug whatever you want to call it and stuff and um i've never been the same i look at life different i look at people differently and um the experience i can't even express really it's almost like dying

and being real reborn yeah um i had the exact same experience that's what it felt like to me too like you stop existing the five methoxys uh there's two tell me what's the deal with that what the hell's going on here five methoxy is produced by your brain but what it is is uh it's dmt with an oxygen molecule attached to it so regular dmt is nn dimethyltryptamine and then five methoxy dimethyltryptamine is dmt with like a very there's a very subtle change to the molecule and that subtle change

for some reason takes away the visuals you've done regular dmt too right yes regular dmt is rich with visuals very strained bright colorful impossible to describe visuals yes and yes um

it's inconceivable inconceivable is best way to put it yeah but i try to explain it to some people my

wife and i just it's just i don't have the words to explain it that's exactly what i always say i've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody every time i've tried it just doesn't work um with all those things

they they give you perspective it's almost like you're dying you you're you're you're submissive you're humble you know i mean you're vulnerable but you're invincible still in all you know it's

just that weird feeling but you feel like you're part of the universe when you're you're separate from your ego you realize this whole thing you're a part of this whole thing and this whole thing is unstoppable it's just it's a gigantic huge all-encompassing almost like a living thing you know

joan this is what i also realized too after going to the experience you realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego yes you know you realize why you're not really much that you really

thought you were yeah you are and you aren't obviously you are in everyday life i mean you go places you have a dramatic effect on people you mean a lot you mean a lot to those people that you run into you mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you but we all do and when the no one stand no it's all it's all relative no one no one is irreplaceable but everyone is special to someone or something and at least to themselves but we're all the same we're all part of this weird crazy gigantic organism that's the human race you know so i did you say that my mentor customado

his objective was to think of nothing you're nothing nothing's nothing but the objective the job and that was the psychological warfare you know nothing matters you're nothing nothing my only thing that matters is objective and getting through accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy listen um to this day i really don't understand that so how did this happen because so many listen by the time i was born he was 66 years old by the time i was born yeah crazy so many people could you know can't even explain it

it's a magnificent individual he was an amazing guy an amazing part of boxing and um with a

unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports that was the thing that always really stood out about him like he was a guy that was so he was so well versed in the mindset i would listen to his his speeches that he would talk when he would talk about you and he would talk about boxing we talk about fear and about a fear can be like a fire can cook your food your food or it can burn your house down and you have to you have to control it and when he would describe it like it would it would be so enlightening he was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things they would sink in

they would they would they would somebody could say the same thing but they with him he had so much

life he was so many hats he was a psychiatrist he was a doctor he was a father he was a mother you know he

was just all around that individual yeah and with a an amazing knowledge of boxing and for a guy like you it was almost like it was ordained and that's what i always said it was meant for me to meet this

guy because i had no way in a million years everybody said you know where you're gonna be champ you're too small yeah so you're too short no way this guy's too big for you he's always said this is the greatest fight i ever lived this is always saying this about me i'm like oh god this guy's just souping me up i never thought i could you know me achieve what he was saying the things he was saying was just so um gigantic in my eyes at the time yeah yeah i mean when it all happened

and it turned out that he was true and you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old you know it's i i would say this about justin bieber and i don't think justin bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with your your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy you were the baddest man on the planet so there was like an aura to you everywhere you went people wanted to see you you know 50 year old men don't give a fuck about justin bieber you know no disrespect he's a great guy a great singer but it's not he's like young girls for young girls that guy's unbelievably famous but he's he's been famous since he was a little kid i'm like

when people hear about him going crazy amazing when people hear about him going insane i'm like of course he's going insane you have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw a pussy at him they're coming down chimneys they're flying in on parachutes they're doing anything they can they just want to be around him and you want him to be normal oh man poor guy no one can handle that what kind of music you're listening to i listen to everything man i do i listen i listen a lot of classic rock for whatever

reason but uh i've been listening a lot of kanye west over the last few weeks tell me what he's talking about kanye yeah well he's talking about a lot of crazy shit he's talking he actually talked about dmt in one of his recent songs really you think he did that before i think he did oh man well i know he's friends with kid cuddy kid cuddy been in here and kid cuddy's had some psychedelic

experiences yeah once you go there it's just um you don't want to do nothing else again

well it puts it all in the perspective it lets you see that uh as much as this thing seems to be important this is all temporary and you're a part of forever and it also allows you to become um comfortable with death yeah yeah you know who said that larry hagman remember that guy dallas yeah from uh jr from dallas he did an interview with cnn and i dream of genie as well yeah that's right he sprung it on him on cnn once he was talking about how he did acid he took a big dose of acid and

he's never worried about death ever again that it just alleviated his his worry about passing on

that's wow this is that because i felt the same way and i said wow it doesn't matter anymore

yeah i think dmt even more specifically because they think yeah why does it affect the mind that way

what causes it to affect the mind that way they don't totally know that it make a vision

visualize everything um they don't totally know they know that your brain makes it they know that your body makes it they should say they know that it's producing your liver and their lungs and there's some evidence now because they found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it which is like that's the third eye of eastern mysticism that gland actually in rats they've proven produces dmt and

they think it does so in people too you know once i did i wanted to do it again and again and again and they said you shouldn't do it too much mike but i said man i gotta you know grasp what's going on here why am i feeling it why why did this in a weird way like humbled you i don't think you should

listen to the people say you shouldn't do it too much i think you should do it as much as you want that's what i agree with too yeah i agree you could handle it if you could handle being like tyson

you can handle doing dmt yeah that's where i think i'm going i think i'm going in that direction

well i mean it's not something you should do all day every day but you can learn a lot from it it's and it's it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal you know that you it's illegal yeah i noticed that even though terrence mckenna had a joke about it because your body's making it so everybody's holding we all have it you know it's illegal but it's like making blood illegal

everybody has it in a while where they go to scenario when they find these totes yeah yeah

i've never experienced it from the toad i've only watched it on television oh with the way they

extract yeah they grab them and they squeeze it they bust his pimples and they bust it on the glass of marrow and then they take it off and they let it harden yeah you they they let it dry in the sun

they scrape it off with a razor blade yes i've only had it uh synthetically made in a laboratory you used to be able to buy it online you used to be able to buy like a a can of it like this big enough to get like a whole state high you just buy it online it was totally legal incredible yeah it's weird it's bizarre that it's illegal well they would say not for human consumption but i don't know what the you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption but you you used to be able to buy

i've never felt anything like that before no nothing like that makes me not want to do anything nothing else can supersede that how long ago did it happen around two months ago yeah did you write

down what happened after it happened or did you record it no i wish i did yeah i wish i did yeah me too

if like it goes away like a dream right it comes off you know you're so scared you know it starts off like this to me like no no no yeah i love it i love you i love you i love you yeah you love everybody

yeah so spassed out yeah did you have a hard time letting go at the beginning i was fighting it i was

saying stop i wanted to stop now just jump stop this now stop and the guy was like hey i can't do you gotta go for the ride dude and it was like oh man it's like i'm dying things are going in my face i'm seeing the aztec things i'm seeing toes i'm just seeing weird animals and things it's flying it's just it's like another chamber it's boom flashing yeah and you're gone it's like a rocket you're taking off yeah it's beyond your imagination yeah death is inconceivable can't even explain it to no one

well i'm hoping that um they they start with psilocybin because uh i know maps they're they're doing some great work with that trying to get these things legalized especially they're doing mdma studies with veterans and people with ptsd and they're having great results they're moving into psilocybin they would love to get psilocybin legal and it's up for ballot i think was in oregon is that where it is it's up for i think oregon is up for legalization this year and it may be eventually in california as well they may how you think they'll do with that it should be legal it doesn't kill anybody

it should be it's not a bad thing if they regulate it if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show but they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own it's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care a shaman's care a physician's care that's a good idea but making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people you know people think of that as a party drug they think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked and ah what's on mushrooms oh you do mushrooms i love mushrooms yeah well psilocybin and dmt are very closely related chemically

all those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related they all break down in in some similar path inside your brain and and give you that that weird ego dissolving experience you know that's one yeah most of the drugs you do with

most um um um ego enhancing right like coke yeah you know the baddest mother

you're just gone man yeah you know you've never had coffee i've never had coke never never oh man

you feel like i missed out no you didn't miss out on nothing man

yeah that one i ducked when i was in high school my friend's cousin used to sell it and he he he wasted away to nothing him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic never come out they would just sell coke and watch tv it was bad like it was like a vampire bit him he just became a once you're getting that kind of um vicious cycle it's a wrap yeah yeah so i i ducked it i ducked it early never did

coke man when's the first time you did coke i don't know i was a kid 11 12 i got involved with drugs early in life wow that's crazy 11 12 yeah i was still living in um brownville brooklyn when i first did cocaine wow that's a crazy i was um listen i would never let my children i have a 10 year old daughter and eight years i would never let them live the life that i live i would hate that i always fight

so hard never want to be in the environment that i grew up in yeah of course well you know you have the benefit of having gone through it you know no one else could ever understand how how how difficult any of your life must have been for you it's got to be one of the harder things when when you did that documentary it's an amazing documentary when you're very honest you're very honest and and you're very open about all your experiences and the one thing i took away after that like no one can understand you could you could hear a guy talk like this i could hear you say these things i could see the videos of your

fights to see the videos your experience but to understand the life that you lived it's impossible it's just a guess it's like a guess for someone like me from the outside it's just really interesting

i used to look at i think about this young kid from brooklyn new york comes to custom auto at 13 12 you know and all something all of a sudden i have a low self-esteem this guy gives me this big fucking ego you know i mean i live by the you know i live by the rules of that ego and that's and i've accomplished so much and a dominator ego yeah you're you're you're set all about destroying people yeah just anybody you could be a lawyer 200 pounds i'm staring you down it's just it was a weird environment growing up that way you know because we as people we try to avoid fights

you know i mean right for my instincts we avoid fights for all our lives and just to be able this is what you do like you're a ufc guy you're a fighter this is what you do for um a job a lifestyle

that's pretty bizarre but you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like

that for the first time in your life absolutely yeah never felt like that before it was like taking a a big drug like a luscious boom it felt like you're the man then everybody's telling you you're great yeah you know for the first time in your life never understood that and you know what else custom model used to do with me he used to take me to a hypnotist he was a hypnotist as well yeah they used to go into the hypnotist motions what kind of shit do they make you do you know how they do it if you relax you go under you totally focus on blackness nothingness right you go under and

it's being the savage intelligent avenue animal you're working you're gonna do this you're gonna be a ferocious animal you're gonna fight put both hands to the body you'll use your jab you'll do this in ferocious fashion and they faked all that in me as i was younger and you were like 12 13 years

old wow so they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset yeah whoa did he give you any advice on how to shut it off no no he was probably like i don't have any time he was probably like i don't have any time the kid's 13 how old was cuss at the time like 70. there's no time there's no time i'm not going to teach him the off switch just hit the gas that's what it was the gas we're

going to destroy these guys these guys in our way of you know i mean greatness glory it's one of the

hardest things that many fighters i've and that i've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off like turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator but then learning how to be a father learning how to be man my first my first lifetime with children and

stuff trying to do this stuff man i felt so disastrous you know it was just um i had no idea what i was doing to i had no idea what i was what arena i was stepping into it was just um it was just disastrous i find out uh i spend most of my adult life now um apologizing to my kids you

know what i mean yeah yeah i can imagine being such a horrible father did do you think they understand like the shit that you were going through they understand like i have no idea no i don't

understand i just try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now i live different life

for my kids right my family now yeah well that's beautiful it's beautiful that you you you like thomas saying earlier you have a lot of self-reflection you've you've managed to look at your life and and find out what's what has value to you what what helps you you always have to do self-evaluation

i'm just a strong believer in that yeah you know somebody has to check you you have to check

yourself i agree yeah well especially a guy like you who's you know you're you've been checked your ego's been checked your life has been checked you've had so many down moments as well as up moments you've had the the full ride of experiences never thought i would survive with my ego being

checked and no idea that that wasn't what it was about so you thought if your ego checked you

would go away probably nothing without my ego wow yeah well i mean it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old that's a crazy thing to do to a kid

because it was super i had no idea but i wanted to do it so bad i wanted to succeed so bad you could

tell you know i watched a video of you uh real recently you were about 16 16 17 years old and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight and you were it was what was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching move around when you were young and still learning but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over you didn't think it went well and and i was like i don't remember that you don't remember it was an interesting video man you were like it didn't go well i could tell it didn't go well i was a sick perfectionist yeah that's what i was going to

say it seemed like it like you were obsessed that's my whole life that's all i did was look at box and watch box and read about fighters it was all about fighters fighters were my god fighter oh you know that guy that's a fighter i said i want to be around them be that groupie that's another amazing

occurrence imagine that you also knew jim jacobs and that fight library that's all i did was watch films over there amazing this is pre-vhs right people had vhs but not many and there's fight

those fights weren't on vhs no way remember before like if you didn't um if you missed the fight you

weren't gonna see it again right yeah yeah yeah and jim jacobs he kept those things on like a regular old projector type thing if you listen to the voice over on some of those old fights it's jim jacobs yeah yeah it's him doing commentary on some of the old fights that didn't have any volume

study all these guys all day and all night you studied them yeah it was through you that i learned

about a lot of fighters when you would talk about jack dempsey talk about different fighters from the old days i i learned about a lot of those guys from you i went back and watched some of those tapes and now it's beautiful now you can just get on youtube and you can see whatever you want everything see all of it but to go back and go back to my office and president if you're going to see this

yeah exactly i can't wait i want you to come by um to the ranch when i would love to i'm in um

productive it's going to be awesome so you said 2022 yeah so uh four years what is it yeah four years from now three years from now it'll be pretty awesome yeah that's awesome well the plans look amazing you know how long you guys been working towards this hey listen we had seen the property and then

um we purchased it and we were just um we were just overwhelmed with it this is probably what i don't know maybe a year ago maybe not even maybe yeah maybe a year or so a year and a half so are you gonna have a gym up there hey i never thought but we will have because we'll have the

wellness center yeah dude how great would it be if you taught like a boxing class i don't know about that stuff though we're gonna hang out there and work out just a fun boxing class like hitting the heavy bag just something you don't have to get people beating each other up do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come learn how to box from you that's gonna be awesome they can

smoke weed with me that'd be cool do you smoke weed with people just regular folks yeah i smoke weed yeah yeah i was trying to get my wife to smoke with me though she doesn't smoke yeah she smokes only at night time she can't function during the daytime oh right right during the day well if you i would imagine if

i was a mother it would be very hard to get high because i'd get paranoid you know i'd be a lot yeah of course she doesn't do it during the day at night time it's different smoke a little weed relax how did you ever do any fighting i did kickboxing and taekwondo tournaments i was uh i was pretty good at taekwondo i won a bunch of state championships and i won a few few national

tournaments when did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff because you know you can't be in right frame of mind to want to do this stuff you gotta realize that i was uh people that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind yeah and that's dealing with fear drives you insane yeah to deal with that drives people insane i was insane during my career

you're madly insane from fear yeah obviously i never went through anything like the level that you went through but for these full contact taekwondo fights i was always scared and uh but i was scared before that i was bullied i moved around a lot i was a little kid i was never very big and we moved from new jersey to san francisco when i was seven from san francisco to florida when i was 11 florida to boston when i was 14 or 13. so it's just always moving to new schools always dealing with new kids and i wasn't

big and i didn't know how to fight and i got picked on and i didn't like it so i said i want to i want to figure out how to fight and so i started getting into martial arts and i just became obsessed with it i did it every day i started teaching i was teaching at boston university i was teaching the taekwondo course when i was 19. i was competing from the time i was 15. i just threw myself into it it's all i did every day i worked at the school i was there every day i had the keys i closed up i opened up and because of you because of hearing about you when you were running in the morning when you knew that everybody else was asleep that gave you an edge i'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and

work out i just wanted to just have an edge you know and i listened to what you said i said that's a great way to have an edge i became obsessed with it but there was no future in it and then what happened was i went from taekwondo to kickboxing and when i started kickboxing i started getting fucked up dudes were beating the shit out of me because i was realizing like i can't keep people at the same distance anymore because i didn't know how to use my hands properly like i knew how to throw some punches a little bit from taekwondo but it's not nearly as sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing and so then i started kickboxing training and then i started realizing like there's no future in this

like what am i doing i'm just getting my brains beat in you know and i'm hard sparring too the sparring was rough it was boston style put the gloves on beat the out of each other figure it out as you go along yeah you ain't going shit you figure it out as you go along so a lot of headaches and you know but it was um it was hard for me to to shut that that part of me off the part of me they just wanted to conquer the part of me just wanted to win all the time to figure out a way to be more intense more driven more focused but when i did stop fighting it was a huge relief like the relief part

was worth the the extra anxiety that i got it was worth it just for the relief of not not thinking about fighting all the time not thinking about when's the next tournament when's the next event when's the next thing i'm doing it was just that i know that's pretty that weight well for you it had to be way crazier because not only is it the weight it's the heavyweight championship of the world

i always wanted to make my mentor happy yeah that's my goal to make him happy all the time

when he died was it weird not having a person like that it was so man it was just um it was

emptiness it was just and then people who we thought was our friends and that we say we're gonna be good to it they just started when he died they just started going in for the kill he just

wanted to grasp me for means it seemed like you and kevin rooney had a good combination at the

beginning when he died when when cuss died um we didn't know what we're gonna do they're thinking about getting rid of kevin or something i was saying i didn't want to be with nobody else right and i was comfortable with kevin and the style and the way we were gonna i didn't want to be you know else i said no let's just keep kevin yeah and kevin was a great trainer for me very

well respected trainer yeah it was a good relationship like the way it worked in the beginning it looked like but then like all things you know kevin used to train me and then fight not fighting on his and then they caught oh really yeah wow wow and this was all like was he training you um before before cuss died as well well yeah how many how many years before cuss died was he like holding the mitts for you and just a couple but he knew you well yes did you watch star well did he

watch fights with you as well did you or were you watching those fights every now and then we watch a

fight like once we um started training with each other we started watching fights together because your

style that was the other thing too your style the way you would come out was so reminiscent of old fighters when you come out with no socks on black shoes wow that i was thinking my my mind i'm

thinking was all about gladiator and being tough and i was never thinking i look at it now look at that silly little kid what does that silly kid think he's tough how does this guy think he's tough

well you were tough man i know what you're saying i know what you're saying but you were when you fought marvis frazier on what is that abc yeah remember those days maybe she had fights i remember watching that fight going holy shit holy that was like being locked into a ring with a tornado that was wild day yeah it was a tough kid that was your peak that was when it was peak scary you know you were coming up and everybody was just terrified it's just a wild thing to watch man to be a part of it to

be you yeah i wanted to make my mentor real happy though that's my main goal in fighting it's a

powerful goal yeah did you ever try to go back and get hypnotized after all that's over to try to maybe calm down that part of your mind that they turned on um i never did i had to do the toe i think helped

me out the toe yeah that stuff none of that stuff would help me out yeah did weed help you out at all pretty much yeah you know i mean but i had to do it every day i had to do it all the time right i could do it all the time then yeah if i went to another country and i didn't have my weed i'd be insane i'd say what no weed i gotta be here a couple of days a week a month get the hell out of here

yeah yeah the rest of the world will catch up eventually they'll catch up eventually it's slowly happening we were talking about it before the show started that just a few years ago if you smoked weed you you felt like you were a criminal like yeah you had to hide those and look around you're looking around who's that a cop i still like that in new york i was in new york recently we had to hide weed that's still illegal there i'm like how is this new york city in 2019 it's so stupid it just doesn't make any sense especially when like we're both high right now yeah man the

kite it's fine everything's good having a nice conversation beautiful i agree i totally agree how many fights did jim jacobs have in that library i don't know thousands of them man i watched

thousands guys fighting in 1898 watched them all wow who who were standouts for you outside of the the stand like obviously jack johnson yeah he was awesome too um he was just amazing he was ahead of time fighting there's also little guys like tony cantonary harry harry de armstrong bonnie ross guys like that benny leonard these guys are just they evolved boxing to the level where it can evolve to now they became they were superstars in their time who was that crazy middleweight who went up to fight jack johnson yeah stanley ketchum that's right he's a badass punch yeah he's a badass then he got killed

yeah by a guy's crime yeah because he stole this guy's girlfriend and he was a tough guy like what are you gonna do about it beat the guy up he disrespected the guy and the guy came back and shot him yeah standing kitchen was a real wild and crazy guy well most of the greats were yeah he was

wow that's uh but feel it didn't fit anyone well when you talk about like your life and like the way you were living if you go back to most of the greats like roberto duran he was a wild motherfucker out of his mind he was beautiful it was beautiful he had rhythm with it yeah there's so many of the greats were just wild wild people you know i think it's that that fear that brings that out of you yeah but then there was some greats that were just real disciplined like strong like marvin haggler's my best example for that when i was a kid growing up in boston haggler was the middleweight champion of the world and i used to see they used to have video of him running they played

it on the news he was running on the there was the dunes sand dunes in cape cod in the winter freezing cold with a hoodie on running screaming war war it was amazing marvin haggler made you want to just get out of your house and go running in the snow you know he was so disciplined that was the thing that i always got out of watching him wasn't that he was so wild he was so mentally strong he had an iron chin and his discipline was impeccable his he was just constantly training never out of shape never got fat always doing sit-ups and push-ups he was a ferocious animal

racist body yeah oh he was chiseled he was a machine that fight with tommy hearns oh that was one of the greatest middleweight encounters of all time chaos i mean it's we didn't know what was going to stop the fight i thought we were going to stop the fight and said tommy hearns is going to be no like tommy hearns should have tried to use his jab boxing the outside you're not going to keep

marvin haggler off you off you you can't keep him off you if you don't try to take him out it's almost crazy you can't box him like that you know sugar ray leonard did that but they weren't at they weren't at their prime then yeah you know i wanted to see those two guys in their prime is go

at it yeah sugar ray leonard went especially when he fought haggler he fought haggler smart stay the fuck away exactly i heard the craziest rumor tell me if this is the craziest rumor that marvin haggler like decided to bet on himself for that fight didn't knew that he was going to lose like they had it set up and then retired and went to italy that's a ridiculous rumor right hey i don't know what anybody did but i never i never heard anything like that you never heard that one no but he's the

more one of the most interesting end of careers ever i heard um rumors that he didn't fight the fight that he should have fight that he knew he should have fought right you know i mean the well the rumor was he went to italy because the mob set everything up something to that effect he went to italy and became a giant movie star but he's the only guy that i can think of in in recent memory that literally went out on top had this unbelievably close fight with sugar ray leonard a lot of people think he could have won that fight very close decision and then says that's it see ya i'm done everybody comes back it's hard not to come back you know um

i guess um at one time that's your whole life i was thinking i'm surprised i never came back that was just my whole life that's my whole identity yeah you know what i mean and um but

when you did retire and when you retired in the ring that was the most honest retirement speech i've ever heard a boxer give ever he's just like i don't i don't have this in me anymore it wasn't in

there anymore just just um that was pretty bizarre for myself even you know because this is what i based my life on doing it when i first started doing it i'm gonna dedicate my life to this stuff you get to see that it's not even um it's no longer gonna happen it's pretty weird when did you know that you didn't want to do it anymore i've known years before that but i was still being very successful

yeah like when like what year like do you remember around when you started thinking it i remember

probably around what the 2000 area so by the time that's post holyfield

yeah after yeah and you're just you had done too much i was just winning them just winning

beating guys you know guys get hit or something and some guys be so scared yeah what did what did

you have in mind like that's the hardest thing right to to swing from that to the next thing like how do you take how do you take this crazy exciting life i don't know i decided listen let me just get high

for a while and figure this out that was the plan yeah let me party for a while and figure this stuff out what did you figure out um that i wanted to do other things so i started my wife um arranged for

me to be this lesbian on stage that the the she created the live show yeah yeah that's a brilliant idea because you're also the first fighter that ever did that because many fighters have great stories but very few of them have ever i don't think anybody besides you has ever put it into it man it's just amazing

we did in monaco we did a home we did um a amount of various places and i can't believe that people

want to see that stuff well like i said the documentary was amazing so people wanted to hear the live version of you talking about it and to see you live in person because the first time we did

um the first time we did it um on broadway that is right we were really not sure about how it's going to turn out so we invited all of our friends we had tickets and gave all to our friends and people we love like names and we brought them to the show and so when we started they started laughing everybody started laughing so i ran to my right wife i ran on stage i said baby what's going on everything okay you know i i didn't want the show to be a comedy it turned out to be a comedy it's supposed to be a hard gritty show about a tough guy and made it through his toughness and he just came up about me just

talking about myself how much a smuck i am you know what i mean and they loved it well i think

that was part of it it's because like they all everybody knew you were this tough guy but they didn't know that you could be so self-deprecating and have so much fun with it all you know that's

why people loved it because yeah um they're doing the writing for my my movie and stuff i haven't seen in anything but it's gonna be pretty wild who's playing you in a movie i don't know there's various people but you know most likely when jamie brown jamie um jamie fox to do it he could do it

he could do anything he could do anything anything that guy could be the president of the united states he could be a pilot that goes to the moon he could do whatever the fuck he wants i want him to do it yeah he could do whatever he wants he'll probably bulk up like crazy too to do it it's gonna be really wow yeah jamie could pull it off michael jai white pulled it off huh michael jai white can't do it

like jamie i don't know i thought he didn't do a bad guy a lot of people didn't like what he did

but i thought he did a good job i think he did a good job he i loved him in spawn he's a great guy do you know him well no he's a great guy great guy very smart guy very humble guy really really intelligent and a great martial artist too michael jai white there's a kilkishin uh karate black belt so did he fight did he fight in the ufc no when he was fighting there was no ufc around but he did a lot of karate tournaments and stuff he's very good i've watched him train before he's legit very legit but like i said real real good guy but yeah i agree jamie fox man jamie fox is on another planet

he's just got this level of competence and skill and artistry in his singing and his comedy and his acting he could do anything he could play you is he gonna hang out with you for a while i don't know what he's gotta he's gotta hang out with you so he's pretty awesome he's gotta hang out with you gotta absorb it right yeah let's see how that works out are you gonna be like his consultant you're gonna be like pitch i would never said that i would like to say that yeah

but for some reason they just um they have their hollywood ways of doing things yeah you know what they make it come out hollywood-ish yeah because some things that um it's just it's just really wild how they they try to switch it to appear um presentable right yeah they try to change the story and know what else i realized too when hollywood perspective some things are real it just is just still unbelievable yeah by itself yeah something that really is unbelievable yeah well do you know

that movie fox catcher did you know that yeah the wrestling movie i remember that story of the young

guy i remember that yeah that guy mark schultz it was dave schultz and marshall dave schultz is the one who got murdered mark schultz is the guy who fought in the ufc here's what's crazy about that movie i don't know how much of that movie is accurate i don't know i wasn't there but what i do know is the one thing that i for sure know happened they changed when he fought in the ufc mark only fought in the ufc once he fought a guy named big daddy goodrich gary big daddy yeah i know big black guy wore karate gi and

then eventually got rid of the gi later in his career but he's a legend big daddy's a legend in the movie it's not big daddy and the movie's fighting some white guy it doesn't make any sense yeah they just they changed who he's fighting for no it's a historical event it's like if you for whatever reason they decided to not have you fight trevor burbick you fought someone else like you fought jerry

cooney for the title or something to be crazy they'd be like why would you change history like i hope they don't do nothing i'm not going to want i can't want to do if they do something like that

it has to be they did it with the ufc when they did it with fox catcher can be right but it doesn't make it any better that's what's crazy it doesn't make the movie any better to have him fight a russian guy it doesn't make any better fight daddy yes because he's known right in the ufc especially for people like me that are in the audience that go oh look look who's playing big daddy how did he do a big daddy big daddy's tough he took big daddy down at will yeah he did whatever he wanted to him he's mark schultz he was a motherfucker of a wrestler i mean him and his brother were savages they were

savages they were just made out of steel what was the deal with that guy how did they hook up with that guy what the guy was really really rich and there's no money in amateur wrestling and these guys a lot of them are really struggling when they're trying to make the olympics team i mean they're they're getting by barely they barely have enough money for healthy food and they need sponsors and sometimes they get sponsors like a rich guy who owns a business you know he loves the olympics he loves wrestling maybe he wrestled in college and he'll take care of them get maybe get him some vitamins maybe sponsor him with the and then you know they have various people that help them with their training and their

food but this guy came along and said look i'm going to build a gigantic facility to create the best wrestling program and pay you guys all money to come and train here and they couldn't help it it's like they were poor they didn't know what to do i understand that yeah and he was a guy who was like a trust fund guy he got all his money from his family and he was just some crazy rich asshole and he wound up shooting one of them yeah i mean that's what it is i mean the like you said the story itself is crazy enough the actual story they didn't have to change anything of it so i know they

changed that part of it so who knows what else in the movie they added or changed or fucked with they fucked with something they didn't have to fuck with they went hollywood with it in a way that they didn't have to do so it makes you you question all the other things that happened in the movie

that's pretty bizarre so for you they can't they can't do that your life is crazy insane i'm you know what i was saying i was okay i really do i really want to do this stuff man i really want to go on the screen with my life and be sincere with these people yeah i said i really need that i you know i've been thinking about that recently i really need this stuff and i'm um cannabis business getting ready to pop off and do really well i'm thinking i really i don't really i really need

this money it's not gonna hurt you it's not gonna hurt you it's gonna help you anything helps you at this point you're so honest that anything that you've done in the past that you're embarrassed about or you're shameful of it just makes it's just better it's just better for you it's like you made mistakes people can learn from them these are beneficial so watching someone like you talk about your life is beneficial for people because you learn how you can overcome these experiences how how bad things can be for you you learn how bad you can fuck up and people need to see shit like that it's good for it's good for civilization it's good for our culture i think so and plus a guy like you

who was like i said when i was a kid you were the fucking man i mean you were the fucking man to have a guy like you be self-deprecating explaining and laughing about things it makes it even it sinks in more it's like you were saying what we were saying about customado that his wisdom is sunk in like he it was the gravel in his voice and the intensity in his eyes and the wisdom in his words it sunk in i remembered his quotes for years afterwards because he lived so much because he had so much and that's

the same thing with you man when you when you're talking about your life experiences like people listen they take it in because they know you lived an extraordinary life so they better not fuck this movie out yeah real extreme it's extreme as it gets what's more extreme other than a soldier those are the only people that live a more extreme life first responders soldiers firemen police officers wow yeah that's it i mean they're seeing death and violence every day other than them you probably live the most extreme life ever who the fuck could relate to you do you ever get together

with other like world-class pro boxers that have no but the guy that do get into the guy you talk about the veterans and stuff yeah maybe tell me weird stuff you know oh man yeah talk to seals about

their time deployed i'm surprised they don't take themselves out so a lot of those guys yeah yeah

on dark side well a lot of those guys are finding um some relief in the same things that you found relief in they find relief in in dmt and other psychedelics mushrooms i think that that could be a

great benefit to a lot of our veterans i believe that 100 too i don't know why they don't want to dabble in

this stuff yeah what do you think would have happened to you if you got a hold of that stuff

while you were in your prime i don't know i don't think maybe i want to be a fighter then yeah maybe i wouldn't want to be a fighter damn d dmt might have derailed it yeah i might want to love everybody you know that's what makes you feel like when you come out of these i love you yeah if they love

everybody yeah well my hope is that uh with great organizations like maps um that one day people will be able to see things like everybody will be able to see things the way you do and then we'll all have this understanding what these things are they're they're tools that can help us all these things including marijuana it's a tool to help us you could you could abuse any tool you could abuse any tool there is you could take a hammer and hit yourself in the head if you're stupid you could abuse anything but you could also use it in a make build yourself a beautiful house

and with cannabis you can you could use it to make it makes you a nicer person it does makes you more i feel more vulnerable i have more of a sense of community i'm always hugging people when i'm high i want to hug everybody you know i agree it's a better feeling yeah you know i mean it makes you it makes you feel kind i agree i like feeling kind what is it like for you to uh to watch boxing these

days it's not in my life anymore do you don't watch it at all did you watch tyson fury deontay wilder oh it was a great fight i was in the air flying when they were fighting oh really yeah did you didn't watch any of the highlights or anything i saw some of the highlights yes how crazy is deontay

wilder's power good stuff crazy right because he's built so strange how incredible is tyson's chore incredible incredible and gets up and wins the rest of the round that's what's really incredible it's amazing amazing yeah so you don't follow you don't follow any of it you know um that's part of my

life um i'm um i got mixed feelings with that part of my life right right you know a lot of stuff but i don't like about myself and stuff i just right i try to forget that stuff because i'm on a whole different um yeah yeah so even watching other people box you know i don't even watch nothing i try to stay

away as much as possible so watching other people box makes you think about yourself when you were

fighting reminds you of it kind of yeah yeah i always say these guys are so much nicer than i was

you know what i mean these are cool guys man yeah right like who who out yeah there's no one out there today that's got that mean vicious persona yeah you when you were in the ring doing a post fight interview saying you wanted to eat your children you want to eat someone's children i remember saying this is the craziest fucking post fight interview it was about lennox lewis right yeah

it's a mad man what's wrong with me i mean it's a mad man it was amazing it was amazing for the for

the story for the time i mean look what it was was when we saw rocky three right and mr t was was challenging you know uh rocky and he would say all that crazy about what he was going to do my prediction pain that was beautiful it was beautiful what you did is you took that and just cranked it up to 11 and threw gasoline on it and lit it on fire you just took that kind of ferocious shit talking yeah i

look at some of those um press conferences a long time when i'm saying these guys yeah i would never talk to anybody like that you know it's just such a different world now my world is so different now

do you feel when you watch that stuff that you feel almost like trapped by that past like that you have to acknowledge it you don't even acknowledge it anymore yeah i'm almost a little bit like i don't

want to be involved which that never happened yeah yeah yeah but kind of had to happen for you to be who you are yeah you know it's because people um this is the real reason right joe this people still people love that guy yeah yeah people love that i didn't like that guy that much so i have my i'm conflicting with people that like that guy and me living my life that i am living now yeah well

people love that guy because that guy gave them a drug and that drug was excitement like you you turn on the tv like oh here we go michael spinks mike tyson here we go and boom oh that's what people wanted they wanted that excitement they knew some crazy was about to go down unpredictable you can't you don't no one knows what's going to happen in a fight is it going to be a right or a left is he going to move right is he going to move left how's it going to work out you don't know how long can spinks last you don't know and everybody was excited and that was that's what you brought people you brought people this this chaotic moment you slapped down the money in the pay-per-view you got out your

popcorn and you waited for the the rush the rush of excitement those crazy days crazy days

crazy i mean i hate to keep bringing your head back to that but just for me uh as a kid growing up during that time it was a big part of my you know my becoming an adult it was during your era

your era of dominance i always look at my kids and i think wow these guys are pretty much

um um middle-class kids they live their life to do what they want to go to college and everything i would i would ever i would never want to put that pressure on my son that you have to be the total best you have to dominate everybody you're going to be the best that ever lived at this you put that kind of pressure on them that's incredible i would never do that to them yeah it would it would

never work probably i mean i don't think a kid that grows up in a loving household with supportive

yeah you guys boxing for when you have nothing yeah when you do boxing when you just had nothing because that's a lot of um that's a lot of dedication that's a lot of pain that's a lot of um aggravation a lot of you know it's really it's um discovering who you are but you must be able to take pride in

the fact that your children don't ever have to do that oh and that's why i took the punches for they

wouldn't have to do that i had my first my husband's son is 16 he wanted to be a boxer i saw you working with him get out of here you go to private school you're gonna be a boxer and stuff oh no you travel you go to european trips you did trips and all that stuff vacation you want to be a fighter get out of here you're a joke man you're a joke man and he's really serious i think

you fight some guy like me yeah some animal i don't know my kids go through that crap that's

that's the degrading some guy like that beating on you yeah that's the thing is the fuel that you had the the the burning inferno inside you you can't replicate that they don't understand that they

don't i don't know you know a lot of stuff um inspires shame inspires a lot of success yeah you know yeah they don't have to deal with that kind of shame right right shame pain exactly feeling

being left out feeling of not belonging and if i do this i'm gonna be everybody's gonna love me

yeah crazy feeling it's feeling imagine to get people you want to be accepted so badly yeah imagine that it's gonna be accepted people to look at you and all and all what kind of mindset is that that's that you don't want people to just look at you yeah you're a sick fuck yeah sick right yeah sick right one people look at me look the fuck is oh man yeah but it's

beautiful that you could describe it that way now like you've stepped outside of it long enough do you recognize what it was when it was overcoming i was a sick guy used to read stories alexander the

great how this guy was a god i said wow i want to be like that you know this is crazy it's just crazy how you get inspired to believe that you're more than what you are

what was also those feelings of conquering were giving you the first success and good feelings of your life and the fact that they programmed you i mean that's something that i don't think a lot of people are aware of the the the hypnotism the hypnotism and the the putting those thoughts into your mind which were hugely beneficial you could tap into that mind zone right before you competed they mean they they gave you a clear path they give you a clear path to use your fury with this like very analytical approach with perfect boxing technique and an amazing mentor with incredible

amount of knowledge and they just let you loose you have to be enthusiastic yeah

bad intentions yeah being bad intention and having through the atom when you're fighting love every minute of it yeah look at you getting fired up again yeah

do you work out anymore no i mean i keep away from that stuff you don't even like uh all that stuff you know spin class or anything no all that stuff um reactivates my ego oh really yeah oh wow

i'm gonna get ripped on so they reactivated that's the thing about like extreme winners extreme winners that that that ego is hard yeah if i activate my ego i'm gonna lose in life i'm

gonna lose i'm losing this cannabis i'm gonna lose everything what if you like go jogging can you go jogging no i do i do my treadmill work and stuff okay treadmill that's it but but if i start to think that i'm special if i get a glimpse a glimmer of that thing hey whoa yeah look at you you're better

than no i saw a video you hit in the bag recently it was like a couple years ago you still hit the bag you still throw some bombs i do probably for the camera yeah that's what you're doing but i'm like damn you can still move you still have it in you right i don't know but it's in your body it has to be

it doesn't feel weird but what i was going to get to when if you were standing in front of that heavy bag and you start rattling off combinations and people you start thinking like oh shit i'm actually mike tyson like i was that guy i am that guy who went through that i am the youngest heavyweight champion of all time i am that guy to destroy tyrell biggs i am that guy that knocked out larry holmes i'm that guy look at that guy i look at that guy somebody is giving me a platform to help me forget about that guy wow yeah it's it's beautiful that you have that

that mindset it is because most people who've accomplished as much as you have they don't

want to ever let the past oh shit let that go let it go let it go let it go but do you you know do

you recognize that that's a beautiful part of your personality you had one of the most successful boxing careers ever but you don't want to you don't want nothing to do with it you don't want to

want to acknowledge it exists you wish it went away in order to um arrive to that next chapter in life you have to forget the chapter that came before you yeah and focus on the chapter ahead of

you yes yes that's a great lesson and from coming from you that lesson i think is going to hit home with a lot of people think so yes a hundred percent a hundred percent because you accomplish so much because you were the youngest heavyweight champion of all time because you're the baddest man on the planet this big hero for a lot of people like me when i was growing up to see you now say that's then i'm done i don't nothing i don't i don't watch it i don't work out it i'm not i'm not even a part of that anymore i'm concentrating on my life right now and i'm happy and i love people you know joe that's

really crazy but when you think about this listen you know being that person that guy that sent me to psych ward a couple of times that sent me to so many other places the prison they said wow that sent me places that guy is a a trip yeah that's a trip that guy had you in an underwear holding a tiger on a chain it's a trip man what did you go to the psych ward for it's been crazy violent

probably thought about hurting myself or something crazy like that what do they do when they take you in the psych ward how do they treat you i don't know it's the same way everybody treat me

this is mike and stuff no but i mean how do they take care of you what do they do for you

i mean how do they take mike tyson calm them down give you some fucking pills that's it or something yeah zone you out be like a zombie you're in a zombie swagger then yeah yeah that is what they do

huh yeah just calm you down medically pharmaceutically it's a zombie like a zombie it's looking at television don't know what's going on well you know what's going on but you can't react to it jesus and then once they got you calmed down enough they go all right you can go

i don't know i don't think i ever get calmed down enough it was time for me to go and i had to go

what is a day in the life of mike tyson like now like what was it a typical day i get up in the

morning i go to my office my cannabis office we do deals and we get investments and um i come home at five o'clock and i go see my kids unless i stay at the office later and i come home and i hang out with my wife and my kids it's um it's a really bizarre life we stay in um newport beach now oh that's really um it's very nice it's very upscale but it's very quiet too yeah not like las vegas at all no one then uh my daughter plays tennis up there so we're pretty much um situated up there it's not like i said baby can we move to hollywood you know we can't go to

beverly hills no because the tennis all of our tennis requirements are here in newport beach so we stay

here newport's nice though it's a good place it's near the ocean it's got clean air yeah we see the different for me i bet it's different yeah did you like living in vegas though because the fights

were there all the time it was always crazy and everything the fight did bring great parties though you could always go to some great parties that was always great so you you've settled into

this business life it seems like pretty easily like you you seem to be enjoying yourself hey it's

something that i want to do and um it's um it's a fresh start you know i mean i look um since doing the total you know i mean my main objective and everything i've been embarking on and been um involving myself with it's all been because of a fresh start i feel fresh i feel new i feel that nothing could stop and nothing could be in my way and it's just awesome feeling so this is from doing

that one dmt experience just sent you into well i did only i did it one time but i did it many many

times that day right you know but yeah this really um i don't know what it is i'm trying to figure it out but i've changed but i just don't figure i don't still know how yeah um i describe it for a lot of

people it's like resetting a computer you reset a computer you got a fresh new desktop and there's only one folder on the desktop and that folder says my old bullshit this is listen stop i'm saying to

myself right now sometimes i'm wondering this new feeling that i'm possessing right now is it a real feeling this stuff really help am i lying to myself again till the next moment that next feeling come to do some drugs to be with somebody else and what's really going on is that feeling going to come

back yeah at this moment that feeling feel like it's never coming back it it can never come back if you decide that it's never coming back but you have to make that decision pretty much every day but you can you can never come back if you want or you could slip into the old ways that's what a lot of people do one of when a lot of people fall into drug additions relapsing when they relapse they're not physically addicted when they're relapsed obviously they're clean and then they decide to go back in it's because there's comfort in those old patterns because this new way of life is just they get anxiety they feel like it's a lot of pressure to stay clean also explain it i hate that

i always hated that oh way i never wanted to do drugs but then i do them again i never wanted i hate it no no no no yeah no come on you understand what i'm saying no i don't want yeah fuck i don't want that and then once you do that and once you do that then you're going all out now you got the liquor there the girl oh man this is just yeah a dark dark vicious cycle it's real dark yeah it's self-destructive yeah it's all about um ego inflating and self-deprecating self-destruction it

also alleviates you from the responsibility of improving 100 that pressure of like keeping it together staying sober you know being disciplined all that stuff once it's gone it's gone like ah i'm just crazy i'm crazy this is just what i do i'm crazy and it's easy to fall into that trap and that's what happens to a lot of people who relapse with drugs i never want to go back to that um again that's just that's just a no-win situation that's one of the great things about marijuana that people don't understand they think that a drug is a drug is a drug they're all falling under the same category

but you can use marijuana and just be peaceful and not chaotic and the opposite it'll make you think

more about the consequences of ruining your life can they sound ridiculous i got um i got a um a foot in uh where detroit michigan one time for andrew galata i got um i tested i tested for um marijuana they charged me three hundred thousand dollars jesus christ find me three hundred thousand dollars

that's a lot of money where'd that money go who took it the commission they broke it up yeah they chopped it up and went and did coke with it that's what they did yeah that's crazy three hundred thousand dollars for some weed in your system now you're selling it legally yeah and this i mean

this is just a bizarre situation i'm just going with this bizarre world and see what happens it's beautiful man i never thought you could do to sell marijuana i never thought i'd be in that business i know at this stage of my life when it um it came at the right particular time

i saw it online i saw tyson ranch online i saw something on instagram or something and i was like that makes sense yeah yeah why not man in this day and i mean look everybody loves you

why not why not go into business people never dreamt but it's just a no-brainer people gonna want to buy your weed just because they love you i want to distribute all over the world too that's where

it gets sketchy yeah there's some spots in asia you don't want to bring weed to no singapore you can

get killed oh yeah i know but that's some parts of the world that they accept it yeah like i went to europe to buy weed before i mean and it was um they were selling the plants they weren't selling the bud they were selling the plant you have to buy the plant wait till the plant develop and make buds and all that stuff wow selling the plan i thought what's that purpose they wanted you to grow

your own yeah that's the only way so you were working with a bunch of different growers explain how you

guys are setting it up the whole thing we're working with other growers but i my main objective

is to be distributors all over the country so to and also the ranch where you have like a a

destination that's gonna be that's gonna be our resort there and that's where people can come it's gonna be um it's gonna be like um what's that big concert thing so we're gonna have our own concerts chinchela i forgot the name of coachella chinchela it's gonna be it's gonna be something to that

effect yeah oh that's awesome so you're gonna do shows down there too absolutely yeah we're gonna do

them again we got to be our first show when miguel's gonna be our first show in february oh wow oh that's

amazing that's beautiful but listen man i'm very happy for you i'm happy i'm happy to see this i'm happy to see this transition in you i'm happy to hear about your experiences and uh good luck man

you need to come by because i'm going to be presenting at the um the podcast award oh yeah yeah yeah that's coming up soon isn't it yeah you gonna be there no i'm not gonna know when is that

beat the hell out of me that tell me yeah they i think do you know when that is jerry somebody sent it to me i'm busy that night unfortunately yeah um so you have a podcast too tell people about that yes because hot boxing hot boxing yeah get it yeah big time hot box weed get it boxing exactly

yeah and we smoke on our um on our show and we having a good time yeah and you uh you had dale earnhardt jr on yeah he's an awesome guy he's a great guy yeah he's awesome did you get high with him no no i don't believe i did no i don't think he smoked no i don't think he does either but uh

he's such a clean cut guy he's super nice guy almost too nice like are you real father was a tough guy yeah yeah his father was a savage yeah yeah um so tell people uh tyson branch tell people how they can find more information well you can just look up tyson ranch just it's uh is it tyson ranch dot com yeah okay tyson ranch dot com and uh you don't fuck with any social media huh you don't mess

with them so i have people do that but they tell me to take pictures of this guy for you to get some likes or something yeah that's something with me too i feel like i'm in third grade or something getting friends trying to make friends i don't know what the hell i'm doing i feel like a smug man it is ridiculous yeah i feel like a smug that's it tyson ranch official on instagram i'm on the book

dope magazine there you go damn uh well listen brother thank you very much for being here man i

really appreciate it i wanted to come to the show so much earlier but we just couldn't make it do it

again we'll do it again and uh let me know when everything opens up we'll be happy to promote it for you let everybody know and anytime you got something coming on you want people to know about it let me know thank you very much thank you appreciate it brother thank you very much mike tyson motherfuckers all day that was cool that was awesome