Interview Quotes

Here are the most significant quotes from the interview:

The Unconventional Life of Mike Tyson

"The actual quote text here."

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:01:05

"about you is that you've never had coffee your whole life never had coffee no did you just tea"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:01:12

"never coffee no one ever offered you a cup of coffee you never went to starbucks never no for"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:01:20

"kid 10 year old nine years old what kind of shit smoking and drinking right then as i got older i tried acid how old were you when you first tried that probably 11."

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:03:06

"but when you were the champ when you were in your prime like when you when like when you beat trevor burbick were you doing anything back then it's drinking a lot drinking a lot really"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:03:32

"yeah that's amazing would you go clean for camp or like if it can't just for camp yeah but outside"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:03:43

"yeah you were the first guy that i ever used as an example of uh to break that old myth that you can't have sex before fights and i was like well that's out the window for sure because you you would talk about it all the time you'd be like yeah yeah pretty"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:04:22

"your logic made sense too you're like i don't want to think about it i don't want to be thinking about"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:04:34

"sex i'll just get it out of the way yeah and it's over with you have to do it you have you refuel for the next um six weeks and yes going with your fight do you think that was a myth that it made you weak yeah i think it's a myth yeah it doesn't seem to make sense it seems odd yeah and then that like whenever there's the olympics you more so than you know disintegrate you yeah i would think they said"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:04:44

"that the olympic uh you know where the athletes stay is just like fuck fest of course i think so"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:05:04

"yeah they have the boys and the girls they're the same vicinity yeah also probably want to alleviate"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:05:16

"some anxiety anxiety freaking out you're at the olympics you know you're 18 years old yeah and everyone's in amazing shape yeah stressed out stressed out yeah when you were when you were first coming up and when you were first uh you like when you were kid dynamite on sports illustrated i'll never forget that man that was a that your era from like you know the the 80s the late 80s that era like it was a big part of my youth you know like you being yeah man you being the"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:05:27

"champ it was like it was a change of things because when larry holmes was the champ as a boxing fan i loved larry holmes like there's that cover you were 19 years old right yeah it's nuts when larry holmes was a champ as a boxing fan wow you still got that stuff man you can still get those yeah sports illustrated it's the internet you can find it on the internet that's how jammy got it"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:05:58

"um i had that sports illustrated but when larry holmes was a a champ as a boxing fan i appreciated him i knew he was a great fighter i i you know we would get together with friends and watch like the the the michael spinks fight with larry holmes yeah when spinks beat him for the title it was a big deal but it wasn't a big deal culturally yeah people didn't care as much but then you came around and when you watching heavyweight boxing if heavyweight boxing wasn't it wasn't boring again it was the the most"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:06:15

"crazy exciting thing in sports when your fights would go on it would be about should i pay for this because how long is this going to last like that had never existed yeah that's pretty weird people tell"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:06:32

"me about the time they all chipped in yeah i never think about it like that you know sometimes um"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:06:43

"when it comes to my realization of the situation i forget that i'm that guy i forget that i trained that"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:06:51

"hard and i became a fighter and stuff yeah that's what i was gonna ask you like do you does it seem like a dream yeah pretty much like a blur because i couldn't imagine what it would be like to be 19 years old 20 years old to be that famous it was a trip who who can handle that is any can anybody"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:07:02

"handle that no it was a trip but it was just what custom model you know that was his blueprints to make"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:07:17

"me right a teenage superstar did he give you advice on how to handle pressure and fame and oh the pressure"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:07:24

"and everything but you know um he says really no um ingredients in how to handle fame you know i mean um we have to see what what um department of fame is your problem and we have to work on that issue from there but you know no one knows how to conduct themselves under that kind of pressure"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:07:33

"no it's at the level of fame too it's like there's so many you realize there's so many levels of fame and then mike's is still just extraordinary where like people people walk away from their job like in an airport they're supposed to be at the cash register and they run out you know they leave their job to go say hi that's not you know most of the time you're like oh that's who that person is it's a"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:07:48

"totally different thing how weird is that that's pretty weird when i took took time for me to get used to that stuff i used to be one of those get the fuck away from me man what are you doing you creep you know because i never knew how to conduct myself yeah mike come here take a picture of my mother take a picture of my kid take a picture here take a picture here i love you just and that i'm like whoa dude cool out you know i mean but now you know i understand this is just what it is it"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:08:04

"is what it is and you're not gonna be able to stop it yeah i've seen you at the ufc before you're very calm around people when people grabbing at you want to take pictures you just just relax the usc is awesome because everybody's nuts yeah yeah that's a it's it's definitely a wild environment what do you think khabib's gonna do now what i think who khabib yeah um well he does whatever the fuck he wants to do that's what i think i think that guy's probably the best lightweight of all time he's a monster incredible he um i think he's probably gonna have some fights at 170 pounds eventually"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:08:30

"if i'd imagine at 155 there's you know there's good fights for him tony ferguson's a great fight for him um i'm really interested in seeing that uh i'm really interested in seeing him going up i'm really interested in seeing him fight at 170 pounds who's up there from the fight"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:08:46

"well first of all tyron woodley who's the champ at 170 that that would be an insane fight george st pierre if he decided to come back and make a big super fight that would be an insane fight i think 170 has a lot of opportunities for him but i think 155 does too they just have to figure out who's going to fight him he's an international superstar now you know khabib especially the way he smashed connor connor's such a superstar already that the way khabib won and did it so dominant i think he's i think he's through the roof now i think when people when he comes back and people see"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:08:57

"the pay-per-view numbers of his fights are going to realize how how huge this guy is because he's so interesting he's very humble very very he's very polite very well-spoken very religious guy lives with his family lives with his parents lives with his parents and his family i believe yeah i hope i'm not speaking out of school i believe that's true and obviously doesn't have to for money i mean he's rich as shit now yeah but he's just a monster the best best grappler i've ever seen inside the 155 pound division he just smashes people what do you think about john jones though what in what way and"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:09:27

"his skills he's phenomenal incredible the best ever using distance he knows distance better than anybody he's a master at knowing when he can hit you and you can't hit him i miss watching him fight you know what i mean he's not fighting much anymore he's back he just won just won the title again just fought alexander gustafson yeah yeah a couple weeks ago yeah for bacon title it was daniel cormier relinquished his title and it was like it's weird right like cormier is the champ because john jones tested positive for something so they stripped him and then cormier became the champ it's uh you know"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:09:41

"i think they'll probably fight again whether they fight again at heavyweight or light heavyweight really yeah i think cormier and john jones if cormier wants to if he wants to keep going but he says he wants to retire soon he's 40 you know yeah he still looks good though he looks great especially at heavyweight in heavyweight he doesn't have to cut weight he's got so much strength and just so agile he's such a unbelievable wrestler too i mean his wrestling skill his skill level and understanding of wrestling"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:10:04

"is so high it's so above most people anybody fight outside of jing john jones he dominated yeah"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:10:16

"yeah that's how good john is john's that good he's that i mean it just sucks that he's had so many controversies in his life but i'm hoping he puts all that behind him have you ever spoken with him"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:10:24

"about that yeah yeah never about his personal life anything but we met before and talked but you're"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:10:31

"a guy who's gone i mean when you went through legal problems yourself you you overcame you came out of it on the other end i think would think a guy like him could benefit a lot from yeah but you know so"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:10:40

"it's just so difficult and it's so unfortunate that he has to go through something like that you know do you think so yes it's really unfortunate you know because sometimes people um they don't survive situations like that because they're so wild and they're having a good time too much in the party and end of the champ it has to it has to come to an end that stuff if you don't bring it to an end it's gonna bring it to it's gonna come to his own end it might not like that way it"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:10:50

"ends yeah so you think for a guy like him maybe getting in trouble was a good thing if only if you learn"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:11:01

"from experiences like that you know i think i was just a wild guy i was really a wild guy i look at myself now i say to myself when i spent all those um trips in those um psych woods and stuff what was that all about what was wrong with me back then you know yeah and i must say i was really disturbed"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:11:14

"back then but you're somebody who got to the point where you got like it's really fascinating because i know you know you're a public figure so we i you know i've been able to watch you my whole life you went through all that stuff and then you got to this point where you're very self-reflective and you look at you are able to comment on it i don't think most i mean most people regardless of whether they're famous or not just still don't get to that point where they're able to look back and examine who they were and and doing wild shit and with ruthless honesty yeah that's what's so"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:11:35

"great reflecting yourself to discover who you really are yeah when you're 20 years old and all of a"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:11:45

"sudden you're the heavyweight champion of the world just a few years ago you were poor and now all of"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:11:51

"a sudden you're the king of the world that's really crazy you know so young it's really crazy i was i was unable to handle that i wasn't expecting that that was a really sucker punch right there"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:12:00

"that's a real sucker punch right there i wasn't ready for that one charlie murphy told us a story and it's animated it's on youtube now of you and him coming over your house in a limousine and you had was it a lion or a tiger tiger he must know it was a lion but yeah the tiger dude it is one of the"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:12:12

"craziest fucking stories i always when so for people that don't know i got to hang out with you at one of my shows one time and it was a great i had the best time talking about everything what made you think you could get a tiger like how did that even happen hey i'm in um this is really interesting"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:12:30

"i'm and so um i'm in prison at the time so i'm in prison i'm talking to my car dealer at the time and he has a he has some cars that belong to a friend of mine that's both a friend of ours and he's discussing if he doesn't pay for these cars i'm gonna sell these cars to somebody and get some horses and stuff i said well you can get horses and trade horses in for cars because i had a lot of cars i thought i'd probably get some horses too and he said yeah man you get you get cougars lions tigers i know this guy got excited i said you do can you get me some tigers he said yeah and the"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:12:55

"guy told me and the guy said man imagine how cool that big you be because i had a bunch of fans because imagine that man you'd be in the aston martin or for robin you have a tiger right next to you and i'm a young guy i'm saying to myself wow that would be cool right after yeah get me some cubs man and then when i came home i had those cubs right there waiting for me so you raised them as cubs"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:13:17

"yeah because that's that's how you were because i would see footage of you like fucking smacking them around and jumping on one of your tigers and i was like holy"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:13:27

"shit and i had them since they were babies they had their mothers their mothers their babies now"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:13:34

"it never gets this is a crazy picture you in your underwear with a tiger on a chain that is that is one of the that's the chance right there that's you at peak crazy yeah insane yeah"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:13:45

"time what was going through my mind i don't know what made me think about my friend said mike you can get some awesome animals and i think really are you serious i'm gonna get some horses"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:13:56

"everybody does it though those are one of the things about uh with what's his face from narcos oh pablo escobar he got like a zoo yeah yeah i had a whole crazy zoo they all do it once you get"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:14:09

"like that rich you're like just get some animals yeah you want to fuck with some animals"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:14:16

"and they throw people in there with the lions and tigers huh yeah"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:14:21

"it's a real common thing that is super rich people they start getting lions that's right"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:14:29

"tigers and shit michael jackson had all that stuff that's right"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:14:34

"michael jackson michael jackson and everything yeah they never land too you have to have like a zoo in his back that's true but he had weird shit like weird birds yeah i don't think it maybe had a monkey or something he did have weird no nothing dangerous"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:14:46

"i hung up there before at the playboy mansion this is at the end of his career that was like in what was it 10 years ago or something it was pretty awesome yeah that guy man what a life he lived you yeah oh and his um pajamas they're sucking his balls when he's 80 and"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:15:00

"shit they're like oh no it was 80s deep into his deep yeah in his 90s yeah that's yeah he really here's the thing that dude lived the lifestyle he was talking about you know a lot of people talk shit yeah you don't really do that he was really doing it oh he really is if i started living that"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:15:15

"lifestyle i'd be dark i started getting dark you know you can have a little you walk that's just"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:15:23

"amazing too much uh yeah too much wait one other thing i gotta because i gotta run and i wanted to where you going man i gotta go i gotta go meet the wife man oh yeah but they'll do it um i read one time because all right so for people that know i i met mike on a flight and it was a surreal experience you know like from from being a kid and thinking like this is superman that's what i thought as a kid it's just you know i mean like seeing those when you see it as a kid too i think it's different like you're just like whoa that is so nuts like these 11 second knockouts and you know it's so bizarre"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:15:40

"periodically even to this day people come up to me and talk about the experience that they saw him and he talked about meeting me and said is that true"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:15:56

"all the time it's special it's honest it's on uh it's on mostly stories is that true yeah mostly stories and it was uh it was a surreal experience and and you know we spoke on the plane and and then like when i thought we were done talking you know i faced forward and then he came back and like tapped me on the shoulder i was like oh shit like mike's talking to me i'm down here like seat belt seat belted in but then we land and and he was like oh where's your show and and and i go oh here it's here i give him the number never expect to hear hits me up the next"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:16:18

"day and he's like we're coming to your show and i was like oh my god and i really did say like i'm amazed that you're coming and he said it's all love and i just said i love you because i didn't know how to what to say and then that was good he's like cool he was he's like all right man and then i have the phone and then i i remember i called the uh the pittsburgh improv manager and i go hey man i just go you're not gonna believe this but tyson's coming to the fight tonight he goes mike tyson i go no fucking tyson chicken yeah mike tyson's coming tonight he's like i'll corridor off a"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:16:46

"whole thing and you know and i didn't know he was at the show because it the show had already started and i didn't see him arrive when we go back to the green after i the show i walk off stage and he grabs me and he goes let's go to the green room so he took me to my green room right like he was like and i was like fuck yeah and we hung out in that green room over an hour and just shooting the shit and talking and when i forgot like the time had passed i opened the door the entire staff entire staff"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:17:13

"is lined up at the door to meet him like that's the effect that he has on the group you know like they're waiting in a line for an hour outside the green room and like you know we talked about boxing about life it was it was fascinating um one of the things i really appreciated about uh you as a fighter was like that you really knew that you were putting on a show so that that's something that i feel like i miss you know there's there's no one that put on the show the way you did like you knew that people bought tickets and and paid for the pay-per-view um and then it you know it's still like one of my"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:17:38

"great memories man it was a thrill to meet you um so i just wanted to stop by and say hi sounds like you're wrapping it up yeah he has to go i do i do oh by the way did you buy seven bentleys"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:17:53

"that were the same color no but i bought around seven bentleys before damn they're rose royces i wanted"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:18:01

"to ask you did give away one when you crashed it right yeah let me tell you that story i wish you"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:18:06

"at the time robin givens and we were in some fast food drink we were ordering food and she went in my pocket i guess to get some money out of my pocket to pay for and she had some some condoms came out and she was mad so she got in the car and then boom she crashed the car into another um car that was just parked there boom and she hit somebody and she hurt their arm and then um the cops came and so the cops came and the cops were saying hey what happened here right and um i was afraid"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:18:29

"that they were gonna arrest me or arrest us so i said well nothing happened officer um nothing and the guy was and it was the guy with a broken arm i said you know sir why don't you just take the car you know you deserve because you've been doing a lot because i didn't want to get arrested i didn't have license anything i didn't want my wife to get in trouble i said why don't you just take it you know maybe it was around 230 at the time so why don't you just take it it'd be okay and the guy said hey don't tell me that and then once he said that i got him i said i got him and i said hey man take it man do this man you deserve this take it and they took it but before that the guy some guy arm was"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:18:54

"broken and he i gave him my money i said i'll take the money and then he came back to the police my arm is better now you get away from me i'm not going to tell you to get away from me no more because he didn't want to mess this deal up with this car because the guy oh that's not going to get me again that is hilarious so the guy is backed off and i say hey go ahead man i'll see you later and i took off my wife i didn't want us to get in trouble but they made him give away the car right they made him no he because i went back to my office said get my fucking car back i went to the really yeah he got fired he did yeah yeah oh my god he's probably hearing this night i'm gonna get"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:19:24

"that bastard tyson i wanted my indian give i wanted my car back oh no you imagine mike tyson calls you"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:19:34

"up and says give me my fucking car man like shit yeah it's outside man i got it god damn it listen"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:19:41

"i gotta tell you something i gotta tell you something you guys know i embarked on the marijuana business yes it's been this right this is this uh beautiful box that is a beautiful box by the way awesome thank you man for accepting it my pleasure yeah that's that's a cool ass box man yeah tyson ranch is going to be opening up pretty shortly yeah you guys have them too i saw the plans"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:19:56

"this is a big deal i mean this place is gigantic which uh state it's it's in california it is here yeah yeah they're they're setting up like a resort really yeah yeah oh it's gonna be the best um"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:20:10

"facility in the world man it's gonna be um it's gonna have an acre long um lake wow yeah you could go like you know it's gonna be camping glamping like glamping glamorous camping glamorous camping"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:20:23

"how about some tigers and shit put some wild animals it's a possibility my partner rob hickman was"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:20:31

"discussing that too where are those tigers well i had them for like 14 years so i had to get rid of you know what do you do when you want to get rid of a tiger a sanctuary oh all right"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:20:43

"fuck i gotta run i love you i love you i love you too buddy look better cannabis dude there it is"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:20:53

"yeah congrats on that man that looks dope awesome man i'm so excited about this stuff this is um"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:21:01

"i love embarking on this cannabis stuff this is so awesome yeah you're you seem to be really enjoying this like when you're talking to your partners out there you're you're having a good time with this"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:21:11

"oh man i never thought that in a million years i'd be able to do this and legalize yeah when did you start like regularly smoking weed um since i was like 10 years old the whole time you were fighting you were regularly smoking weed well you know when you're a kid your mother gives you liquor and marijuana for you make you think that you're gonna go to sleep or something yeah really yeah that"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:21:29

"never happened in my house never yeah my mother was alcoholic damn that's that's harsh liquor and marijuana see if you go to sleep yeah it didn't work i don't think so no i think so do you uh what what what benefits do you get out of marijuana like what does it do for you hey man um if i didn't i have a"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:21:47

"bad day yeah i'm really moody guy without it and it just um it smooths me out so i take it i'm a whole"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:21:55

"different person i'm really on top of my game i'm boiling yeah i feel the same way sometimes it makes me nicer yeah yeah calms me down do you um do you i like who i am when i smoke you know i mean when i'm"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:22:06

"when i weed i don't sometimes like who i am sometimes that's just the real yeah yeah i don't"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:22:13

"like that guy i want to get away from that guy well you know i was talking to michael irvin once he was explaining to me that when children grow up in high stress environments that their genes are wired to to have a propensity towards violence that if they're norm if it's normal if it's around them all the time when they're when they're growing up and when they're in the womb yeah i agree when their mother's under extreme stress if they live in a bad neighborhood and it's it's hard for some people like yourself that did grow up in an environment like that to ever reach where you're at right now"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:22:34

"just a place of peace and if you can do that through marijuana or whatever it is yoga meditation whatever whatever you do to get there like we should be happy that you can get there that's what we"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:22:47

"listen i am so grateful that um i embarked on this you know i've never been a person to this its magnitude of this kind of relaxation i was enjoying my time with you i was very uptight and i was very uncomfortable with myself did you feel any better after you worked out when you were young like that absolutely but my works out um you know what um the best thing that ever happened to me that i retired from boxing because me working out and me getting i was so intense with this my whole my whole objective was hurting people and wanting to be the best and my ego took over and i'm like"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:23:11

"tyson i'm the best to ever live and all this bullshit and um"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:23:19

"dealing with my partner rob hickman i happened to embark on this um come across this thing called the toad are you familiar with the toad yeah what you're talking about is five methoxy that's it right there yeah yeah and i came across that um i smoked this um i don't know this medicine drug whatever you want to call it and stuff and um i've never been the same i look at life different i look at people differently and um the experience i can't even express really it's almost like dying"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:23:42

"and being real reborn yeah um i had the exact same experience that's what it felt like to me too like you stop existing the five methoxys uh there's two tell me what's the deal with that what the hell's going on here five methoxy is produced by your brain but what it is is uh it's dmt with an oxygen molecule attached to it so regular dmt is nn dimethyltryptamine and then five methoxy dimethyltryptamine is dmt with like a very there's a very subtle change to the molecule and that subtle change"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:24:05

"for some reason takes away the visuals you've done regular dmt too right yes regular dmt is rich with visuals very strained bright colorful impossible to describe visuals yes and yes um"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:24:21

"it's inconceivable inconceivable is best way to put it yeah but i try to explain it to some people my"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:24:30

"wife and i just it's just i don't have the words to explain it that's exactly what i always say i've done a terrible job explaining it to everybody every time i've tried it just doesn't work um with all those things"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:24:40

"they they give you perspective it's almost like you're dying you you're you're submissive you're humble you know i mean you're vulnerable but you're invincible still in all you know it's"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:24:51

"just that weird feeling but you feel like you're part of the universe when you're you're separate from your ego you realize this whole thing you're a part of this whole thing and this whole thing is unstoppable it's just it's a gigantic huge all-encompassing almost like a living thing you know"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:25:08

"joan this is what i also realized too after going to the experience you realize how insignificant you are sometimes without your ego yes you know you realize why you're not really much that you really"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:25:19

"thought you were yeah you are and you aren't obviously you are in everyday life i mean you go places you have a dramatic effect on people you mean a lot you mean a lot to those people that you run into you mean a lot to the people that you love and that love you but we all do and when the no one stand no it's all it's all relative no one no one is irreplaceable but everyone is special to someone or something and at least to themselves but we're all the same we're all part of this weird crazy gigantic organism that's the human race you know so i did you say that my mentor customado"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:25:48

"his objective was to think of nothing you're nothing nothing's nothing but the objective the job and that was the psychological warfare you know nothing matters you're nothing nothing my only thing that matters is objective and getting through accomplishing that objective by going through these methods of boxing do you ever stop and think about how fortunate it was you ran into that guy listen um to this day i really don't understand that so how did this happen because so many listen by the time i was born he was 66 years old by the time i was born yeah crazy so many people could you know can't even explain it"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:26:22

"it's a magnificent individual he was an amazing guy an amazing part of boxing and um with a"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:26:31

"unprecedented grasp of the mindset required for combat sports that was the thing that always really stood out about him like he was a guy that was so he was so well versed in the mindset i would listen to his his speeches that he would talk when he would talk about you and he would talk about boxing we talk about fear and about a fear can be like a fire can cook your food your food or it can burn your house down and you have to you have to control it and when he would describe it like it would be so enlightening he was such a man of wisdom that when he would describe things they would sink in"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:26:57

"they would they would they would somebody could say the same thing but they with him he had so much"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:27:05

"life he was so many hats he was a psychiatrist he was a doctor he was a father he was a mother you know he"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:27:13

"was just all around that individual yeah and with a an amazing knowledge of boxing and for a guy like you it was almost like it was ordained and that's what i always said it was meant for me to meet this"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:27:24

"guy because i had no way in a million years everybody said you know where you're gonna be champ you're too small yeah so you're too short no way this guy's too big for you he's always said this is the greatest fight i ever lived this is always saying this about me i'm like oh god this guy's just souping me up i never thought i could you know me achieve what he was saying the things he was saying was just so um gigantic in my eyes at the time yeah yeah i mean when it all happened"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:27:48

"and it turned out that he was true and you have to absorb all this when you're 20 years old you know it's i i would say this about justin bieber and i don't think justin bieber nearly had to deal with what you had to deal with your your experience was so much crazier because you were not just an incredibly famous guy you were the baddest man on the planet so there was like an aura to you everywhere you went people wanted to see you you know 50 year old men don't give a fuck about justin bieber you know no disrespect he's a great guy a great singer but it's not he's like young girls for young girls that guy's unbelievably famous but he's he's been famous since he was a little kid i'm like"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:28:17

"when people hear about him going crazy amazing when people hear about him going insane i'm like of course he's going insane you have no idea what it would be like to be him and to be 17 years old and girls literally trying to break into his house to throw a pussy at him they're coming down chimneys they're flying in on parachutes they're doing anything they can they just want to be around him and you want him to be normal oh man poor guy no one can handle that what kind of music you're listening to i listen to everything man i do i listen i listen a lot of classic rock for whatever"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:28:45

"reason but uh i've been listening a lot of kanye west over the last few weeks tell me what he's talking about kanye yeah well he's talking about a lot of crazy shit he's talking he actually talked about dmt in one of his recent songs really you think he did that before i think he did oh man well i know he's friends with kid cuddy kid cuddy been in here and kid cuddy's had some psychedelic"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:29:05

"experiences yeah once you go there it's just um you don't want to do nothing else again"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:29:13

"well it puts it all in the perspective it lets you see that uh as much as this thing seems to be important this is all temporary and you're a part of forever and it also allows you to become um comfortable with death yeah yeah you know who said that larry hagman remember that guy dallas yeah from uh jr from dallas he did an interview with cnn and i dream of genie as well yeah that's right he sprung it on him on cnn once he was talking about how he did acid he took a big dose of acid and"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:29:37

"he's never worried about death ever again that it just alleviated his his worry about passing on"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:29:46

"that's wow this is that because i felt the same way and i said wow it doesn't matter anymore"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:29:52

"yeah i think dmt even more specifically because they think yeah why does it affect the mind that way"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:29:59

"what causes it to affect the mind that way they don't totally know that it make a vision"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:30:06

"visualize everything um they don't totally know they know that your brain makes it they know that your body makes it they should say they know that it's producing your liver and their lungs and there's some evidence now because they found it in rats that the pineal gland produces it which is like that's the third eye of eastern mysticism that gland actually in rats they've proven produces dmt and"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:30:28

"they think it does so in people too you know once i did i wanted to do it again and again and again and they said you shouldn't do it too much mike but i said man i gotta you know grasp what's going on here why am i feeling it why why did this in a weird way like humbled you i don't think you should"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:30:45

"listen to the people say you shouldn't do it too much i think you should do it as much as you want that's what i agree with too yeah i agree you could handle it if you could handle being like tyson"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:30:57

"you can handle doing dmt yeah that's where i think i'm going i think i'm going in that direction"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:31:04

"well i mean it's not something you should do all day every day but you can learn a lot from it it's and it's it's very beneficial and very strange that it's illegal you know that you it's illegal yeah i noticed that even though terrence mckenna had a joke about it because your body's making it so everybody's holding we all have it you know it's illegal but it's like making blood illegal"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:31:24

"everybody has it in a while where they go to scenario when they find these totes yeah yeah"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:31:32

"i've never experienced it from the toad i've only watched it on television oh with the way they"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:31:40

"extract yeah they grab them and they squeeze it they bust his pimples and they bust it on the glass of marrow and then they take it off and they let it harden yeah you they they let it dry in the sun"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:31:54

"they scrape it off with a razor blade yes i've only had it uh synthetically made in a laboratory you used to be able to buy it online you used to be able to buy like a a can of it like this big enough to get like a whole state high you just buy it online it was totally legal incredible yeah it's weird it's bizarre that it's illegal well they would say not for human consumption but i don't know what the you're doing with it if you're not using it for human consumption but you you used to be able to buy"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:32:17

"i've never felt anything like that before no nothing like that makes me not want to do anything nothing else can supersede that how long ago did it happen around two months ago yeah did you write"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:32:31

"down what happened after it happened or did you record it no i wish i did yeah i wish i did yeah me too"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:32:41

"if like it goes away like a dream right it comes off you know you're so scared you know it starts off like this to me like no no no yeah i love it i love you i love you i love you yeah you love everybody"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:32:54

"yeah so spassed out yeah did you have a hard time letting go at the beginning i was fighting it i was"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:33:01

"saying stop i wanted to stop now just jump stop this now stop and the guy was like hey i can't do you gotta go for the ride dude and it was like oh man it's like i'm dying things are going in my face i'm seeing the aztec things i'm seeing toes i'm just seeing weird animals and things it's flying it's just it's like another chamber it's boom flashing yeah and you're gone it's like a rocket you're taking off yeah it's beyond your imagination yeah death is inconceivable can't even explain it to no one"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:33:27

"well i'm hoping that um they they start with psilocybin because uh i know maps they're they're doing some great work with that trying to get these things legalized especially they're doing mdma studies with veterans and people with ptsd and they're having great results they're moving into psilocybin they would love to get psilocybin legal and it's up for ballot i think was in oregon is that where it is it's up for i think oregon is up for legalization this year and it may be eventually in california as well they may how you think they'll do with that it should be legal it doesn't kill anybody"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:34:04

"it should be it's not a bad thing if they regulate it if they make it for therapeutic use and just set up centers where experts can show but they shouldn't make it prohibitive for people to own it or even grow their own it's not a bad idea to set up places where people can do it under a professional's care a shaman's care a physician's care that's a good idea but making it illegal is a bad idea because it helps a lot of people you know people think of that as a party drug they think you're going to do mushrooms and freak out and go fucking run around naked and ah what's on mushrooms oh you do mushrooms i love mushrooms yeah well psilocybin and dmt are very closely related chemically"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:34:40

"all those really potent psychedelic drugs are very closely related they all break down in in some similar path inside your brain and and give you that that weird ego dissolving experience you know that's one yeah most of the drugs you do with"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:34:55

"most um um um ego enhancing right like coke yeah you know the baddest mother"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:35:05

"you're just gone man yeah you know you've never had coffee i've never had coke never never oh man"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:35:14

"you feel like i missed out no you didn't miss out on nothing man"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:35:20

"yeah that one i ducked when i was in high school my friend's cousin used to sell it and he he wasted away to nothing him and his girlfriend would hang out in the attic never come out they would just sell coke and watch tv it was bad like it was like a vampire bit him he just became a once you're getting that kind of um vicious cycle it's a wrap yeah yeah so i i ducked it i ducked it early never did"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:35:37

"coke man when's the first time you did coke i don't know i was a kid 11 12 i got involved with drugs early in life wow that's crazy 11 12 yeah i was still living in um brownville brooklyn when i first did cocaine wow that's a crazy i was um listen i would never let my children i have a 10 year old daughter and eight years i would never let them live the life that i live i would hate that i always fight"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:35:59

"so hard never want to be in the environment that i grew up in yeah of course well you know you have the benefit of having gone through it you know no one else could ever understand how how how difficult any of your life must have been for you it's got to be one of the harder things when when you did that documentary it's an amazing documentary when you're very honest you're very honest and and you're very open about all your experiences and the one thing i took away after that like no one can understand you could you could hear a guy talk like this i could hear you say these things i could see the videos of your"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:36:30

"fights to see the videos your experience but to understand the life that you lived it's impossible it's just a guess it's like a guess for someone like me from the outside it's just really interesting"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:36:42

"i used to look at i think about this young kid from brooklyn new york comes to custom auto at 13 12 you know and all something all of a sudden i have a low self-esteem this guy gives me this big fucking ego you know i mean i live by the you know i live by the rules of that ego and that's and i've accomplished so much and a dominator ego yeah you're you're set all about destroying people yeah just anybody you could be a lawyer 200 pounds i'm staring you down it's just it was a weird environment growing up that way you know because we as people we try to avoid fights"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:37:10

"you know i mean right for my instincts we avoid fights for all our lives and just to be able this is what you do like you're a ufc guy you're a fighter this is what you do for um a job a lifestyle"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:37:22

"that's pretty bizarre but you were getting positive reinforcement from thinking like"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:37:27

"that for the first time in your life absolutely yeah never felt like that before it was like taking a a big drug like a luscious boom it felt like you're the man then everybody's telling you you're great yeah you know for the first time in your life never understood that and you know what else custom model used to do with me he used to take me to a hypnotist he was a hypnotist as well yeah they used to go into the hypnotist motions what kind of shit do they make you do you know how they do it if you relax you go under you totally focus on blackness nothingness right you go under and"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:37:55

"it's being the savage intelligent avenue animal you're working you're gonna do this you're gonna be a ferocious animal you're gonna fight put both hands to the body you'll use your jab you'll do this in ferocious fashion and they faked all that in me as i was younger and you were like 12 13 years"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:38:11

"old wow so they're putting you under and just teaching you that mindset yeah whoa did he give you any advice on how to shut it off no no he was probably like i don't have any time he was probably like i don't have any time the kid's 13 how old was cuss at the time like 70. there's no time there's no time i'm not going to teach him the off switch just hit the gas that's what it was the gas we're"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:38:32

"going to destroy these guys these guys in our way of you know i mean greatness glory it's one of the"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:38:39

"hardest things that many fighters i've and that i've watched over the years have the problem of shutting it off like turning it on and living like that and just wanting to be a dominator but then learning how to be a father learning how to be man my first my first lifetime with children and"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:38:57

"stuff trying to do this stuff man i felt so disastrous you know it was just um i had no idea what i was doing to i had no idea what i was what arena i was stepping into it was just um it was just disastrous i find out uh i spend most of my adult life now um apologizing to my kids you"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:39:14

"know what i mean yeah yeah i can imagine being such a horrible father did do you think they understand like the shit that you were going through they understand like i have no idea no i don't"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:39:25

"understand i just try to basically make sure that part of my life is empty now i live different life"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:39:31

"for my kids right my family now yeah well that's beautiful it's beautiful that you you you like thomas saying earlier you have a lot of self-reflection you've you've managed to look at your life and and find out what's what has value to you what what helps you you always have to do self-evaluation"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:39:46

"i'm just a strong believer in that yeah you know somebody has to check you you have to check"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:39:54

"yourself i agree yeah well especially a guy like you who's you know you're you've been checked your ego's been checked your life has been checked you've had so many down moments as well as up moments you've had the the full ride of experiences never thought i would survive with my ego being"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:40:09

"checked and no idea that that wasn't what it was about so you thought if your ego checked you"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:40:16

"would go away probably nothing without my ego wow yeah well i mean it makes sense when you're going through all that hypnosis when you're 12 and 13 years old that's a crazy thing to do to a kid"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:40:29

"because it was super i had no idea but i wanted to do it so bad i wanted to succeed so bad you could"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:40:36

"tell you know i watched a video of you uh real recently you were about 16 16 17 years old and you were sparring with some big guy who was a professional heavyweight and you were it was what was fascinating to me about it wasn't just watching move around when you were young and still learning but it was also you were upset at yourself after it was over you didn't think it went well and and i was like i don't remember that you don't remember it was an interesting video man you were like it didn't go well i could tell it didn't go well i was a sick perfectionist yeah that's what i was going to"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:41:01

"say it seemed like it like you were obsessed that's my whole life that's all i did was look at box and watch box and read about fighters it was all about fighters fighters were my god fighter oh you know that guy that's a fighter i said i want to be around them be that groupie that's another amazing"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:41:16

"occurrence imagine that you also knew jim jacobs and that fight library that's all i did was watch films over there amazing this is pre-vhs right people had vhs but not many and there's fight"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:41:30

"those fights weren't on vhs no way remember before like if you didn't um if you missed the fight you"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:41:38

"weren't gonna see it again right yeah yeah yeah and jim jacobs he kept those things on like a regular old projector type thing if you listen to the voice over on some of those old fights it's jim jacobs yeah yeah it's him doing commentary on some of the old fights that didn't have any volume"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:41:55

"study all these guys all day and all night you studied them yeah it was through you that i learned"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:42:03

"about a lot of fighters when you would talk about jack dempsey talk about different fighters from the old days i i learned about a lot of those guys from you i went back and watched some of those tapes and now it's beautiful now you can just get on youtube and you can see whatever you want everything see all of it but to go back and go back to my office and president if you're going to see this"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:42:26

"yeah exactly i can't wait i want you to come by um to the ranch when i would love to i'm in um"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:42:33

"productive it's going to be awesome so you said 2022 yeah so uh four years what is it yeah four years from now three years from now it'll be pretty awesome yeah that's awesome well the plans look amazing you know how long you guys been working towards this hey listen we had seen the property and then"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:42:53

"um we purchased it and we were just um we were just overwhelmed with it this is probably what i don't know maybe a year ago maybe not even maybe yeah maybe a year or so a year and a half so are you gonna have a gym up there hey i never thought but we will have because we'll have the"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:43:10

"wellness center yeah dude how great would it be if you taught like a boxing class i don't know about that stuff though we're gonna hang out there and work out just a fun boxing class like hitting the heavy bag just something you don't have to get people beating each other up do you know how much people would pay to smoke weed and come learn how to box from you that's gonna be awesome they can"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:43:31

"smoke weed with me that'd be cool do you smoke weed with people just regular folks yeah i smoke weed yeah yeah i was trying to get my wife to smoke with me though she doesn't smoke yeah she smokes only at night time she can't function during the daytime oh right right during the day well if you i would imagine if"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:43:49

"i was a mother it would be very hard to get high because i'd get paranoid you know i'd be a lot yeah of course she doesn't do it during the day at night time it's different smoke a little weed relax how did you ever do any fighting i did kickboxing and taekwondo tournaments i was uh i was pretty good at taekwondo i won a bunch of state championships and i won a few few national"

— SPEAKER_04 • 00:44:09

"tournaments when did you know you wanted to get physical with another human being and do this stuff because you know you can't be in right frame of mind to want to do this stuff you gotta realize that i was uh people that do this stuff are not in the right frame of mind yeah and that's dealing with fear drives you insane yeah to deal with that drives people insane i was insane during my career"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:44:32

"you're madly insane from fear yeah obviously i never went through anything like the level that you went through but for these full contact taekwondo fights i was always scared and uh but i was scared before that i was bullied i moved around a lot i was a little kid i was never very big and we moved from new jersey to san francisco when i was seven from san francisco to florida when i was 11 florida to boston when i was 14 or 13. so it's just always moving to new schools always dealing with new kids and i wasn't"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:45:03

"big and i didn't know how to fight and i got picked on and i didn't like it so i said i want to i want to figure out how to fight and so i started getting into martial arts and i just became obsessed with it i did it every day i started teaching i was teaching at boston university i was teaching the taekwondo course when i was 19. i was competing from the time i was 15. i just threw myself into it it's all i did every day i worked at the school i was there every day i had the keys i closed up i opened up and because of you because of hearing about you when you were running in the morning when you knew that everybody else was asleep that gave you an edge i'd go there in the middle of the night and open up and"

— SPEAKER_02 • 00:45:40

"work out i just wanted to just have an edge you know and i listened to what you said i said that's a great way to have an edge i became obsessed with it but there was no future in it and then what happened was i went from taekwondo to kickboxing and when i started kickboxing i started getting fucked up dudes were beating the shit out of me because i was realizing like i can't keep people at the same distance anymore because i didn't know how to use my hands properly like i knew how to throw some punches a little bit from taekwondo but it's not nearly as sophisticated as boxing or kickboxing and so then i started kickboxing training and then i started realizing like there's no future in this"

— SPEAKER_01 • 00:46:24

"like what am i doing i'm just getting my brains beat in you know and i'm hard sparring too the sparring was rough it was boston style put the gloves on beat the out of each other figure it out as you go along yeah you ain't going shit you figure it out as you go along so a lot of headaches and you know but it was um it was hard for me to to shut that that part of me off the part of me they just wanted to conquer the part of me just wanted to win all the time to figure out a way to be more intense more driven more focused but when i did stop fighting it was a huge relief like the relief part